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I have come across markings on the Russian 107mm M1877 siege gun that I find somewhat puzzling. The 107mm M1877 displayed in Finland is dated 1884 but is marked "CA". This is generally used to abbreviate Soviet Army and in fact the sign giving information for the gun mentions that CA is "Soviet Army". I also know of other 107mm M1877 guns in the United States marked with "CA" but only having dates consistent with Imperial Russian Service.

Any idea what else "CA" stamped on an M1877 Breech-ring could stand for?

Does anyone have good photographs or tech drawings of the breech for this gun?

(note the photos are re-posted from various Russian Language web fourms and sites)

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Ralph





-- Edited by Ralph Lovett on Monday 21st of November 2011 06:38:33 PM

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I had made a similar post on the "War Relics Forum" and got the answer that the abbreviation means: Land Artillery MA means Naval artillery in the Imperial Russian militaryand has no connection to service with the Soviet Army.

I am still interested in technical drawings of the breech for the Russian 107mm M 1877 if anyone has these.

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Ralph



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Yes, this CA has nothing to do with Soviets, since Finland got all those siege guns during the Civil War in 1918. They were left in Finland by the Imperial Russian army.

Finland had 46 guns of this model in the inventory on 31.12.1918. They were still used during the WW II. Here is a short story in English:

http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY1.htm

The first two photos you show are from War Museum, Helsinki. The third one is from Artillery Museum, St. Petersburg.

Ralph, if you ask from Finnish Artillery Museum, they might help you.

From here you can find an e-mail addresses. Try to contact "Museonjohtaja" (Director of museum) or "Tutkija" (researcher):

http://www.tykistomuseo.fi/museo-info/

Mika



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Thanks for the contact information for the Finnish Artillery Museum.

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It appears the Russian 107mm M1877 is quite similar to the Belgium 12cm. I have attached a photo of this gun for comparison. Does anyone have breech drawings for the Belgium 12cm if not the Russian 107mm?

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Ralph



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Well, I got a bit more information form the Finnish Artillery Museum today. This is the email they sent with attachements. By the way I think the second 107mm breech is for the coastal version of the 107mm and there are some differences [the handel at the rear of the breech block not on top]:

There's two different 107 mm Model 1877 guns.
These measurements are from siege gun.

We don't have (or I couldn't find) any technical drawings of that gun.
However, here's some photos. The breech was frozen so we couldn't get it
out, but the breech mechanism of 152K77 is quite identical.

The diameter of the wheel: c.148 cm; width c. 10,5 cm
The diemeter of the hub: c. 30 cm; width c. 38 cm

Sincerely

Samuel Fabrin
FM, tutkija



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Finally, I have some real progress to report with the Russian 107mm M1877 42 Line Gun.  Two days ago I got the new replacement wheels set on the gun.  These were produced by a wheel right in Michigan and based on the dimensions from the existing 107mm M1877 wheels in Finland. 

This is the link:

http://www.lovettartillery.com/Russian_107mm.htm

The next big part of the project will be getting the elevation system working and producing a replacement breech block.  Again, if anyone finds good technical drawings of the breech block for this gun, let me know. 

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Ralph Lovett

 

 

 



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Ralph Lovett wrote:

I have come across markings on the Russian 107mm M1877 siege gun that I find somewhat puzzling.The 107mm M1877 displayed in Finland is dated 1884 but is marked "CA". This is generally used to abbreviate Soviet Army and in fact the sign giving information for the gun mentions that CA is "Soviet Army".I also know of other 107mm M1877 guns in the United States marked with "CA" but only having dates consistent with Imperial Russian Service.

Any idea what else "CA" stamped on an M1877 Breech-ring could stand for


 The "CA" abbreviation means in Russian "Сухопутная Артиллерия" (Sukhoputnaya Artilleriya) - land artillery in contrast to MA - "Морская Артиллерия" (Morskaya Artilleriya) - naval artillery.



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