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Ned


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Hi All, i was wondering if any of you have had experience with Panzershops "Grabs"

 http://www.panzershop.cz/inshop//scripts/detail.asp?ItemID=2700&Level=3&Edit=1

I'll be working on a Tamiya Mk. IV and before i spend any more money on it, I was wondering if it's something people have worked with them before.

Also there is Friulmodel ATL-149 Metal Grouser Spud for British WWI Tanks MK II MK IV,

but this is all metal and seems a bit of overkill ? not sure how they would fit on a Tamiya Mk. IV kit.

any advise is appreciated.

thanks. N.

 

 

 



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Hello Ned,

I have no experience with either the resin or the metal grousers. But I have used the plastic ones that are included in every Takom kit of a mark IV.

So maybe that is the (cheapest) way: if you buy a Takom Mark IV you have a full set, or ask anybody in your local modelling club if they have a set that they do not use.

If there is no one in your country then send me a message and I will send you a full set. The costs will be the packing and postage. Where do you actualy live, I can not see that in your personal information? I ask that because sending anything to the US seems to be very expensive.

Willem



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Thanks Willem, I have already gotten a Tamiya Mk. IV kit. and was wondering about adding the grousers (or are they called grabs) to it.  I haven't decided if I want to motorize it, probably not since that would leave gaps where the sponsons are for battery replacing.



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I think that Friulmodel ATL-149 Metal Grouser Spud will obviously fit Tamiya Mk. IV kit. I have the experience of it's usage. If you want you can check my blog classyessay.com/dissertation-writing-service

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Hello
Regarding the grouser from panzer shop , I find that the ones supplied with the Takom kit are more detailed.
Best Regards
Olivier

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Hi!
Any news on this?
I will start to work on the Tamiya kit soon as well and were thinkink about those grouser too.
How would the Takom ones be attached (do somebody got pics, maybe?)
And do anybody got some, that he wouldn't use? It would be really appreciated! (Off course I would pay for it..)
Thanks a lot!
Oliver

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PM send......

 



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Hello Oliver,

this is from Terry Ashley's website: (Takom Mark IV)

Also included are the grouser spuds sometimes used with the track for additional traction with 30 spuds included in the kit, 15 per side and these are usually fitted on every 6th track link although as with any rule there are variations as seen in some photos. Fitting the spuds is easy, you simply glue them to the intended track link as required, note the instructions don’t say these spuds are an option but to fit them as a matter of course but they weren’t fitted as standard, only when required and when not in use were stowed in the large storage box on the top rear hull.

https://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/takom/takom2008-9.html

 

Best regards,

Willem

 



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Willem Visser wrote:

Hello Oliver,

this is from Terry Ashley's website: (Takom Mark IV)

Also included are the grouser spuds sometimes used with the track for additional traction with 30 spuds included in the kit, 15 per side and these are usually fitted on every 6th track link although as with any rule there are variations as seen in some photos. Fitting the spuds is easy, you simply glue them to the intended track link as required, note the instructions don’t say these spuds are an option but to fit them as a matter of course but they weren’t fitted as standard, only when required and when not in use were stowed in the large storage box on the top rear hull.

https://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/takom/takom2008-9.html

 

Best regards,

Willem

That's a great info!
So if I won't find any confirmation, that they were used also in combination with fascines (but why not, if they were optional? It would make sense to widen the tracks, if you put eytra weight on top of the tank!?), I can put them in the storage box "for later use".

 


 



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Hello Oliver,

in the book by Haynes, Mark IV owners manual there is a picture of a mark IV with a fascine. The catext with the picture is as follows: auld reekie, a mark IV male with A batallion with its fascine prior to cambrai.

this tank has no grousers attached vrcause it is on a railroadcar. On page 91 there is another picture of Mark IV’s on a train with fascines attached.

hope this helps....

Willem



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Willem Visser wrote:

Hello Oliver,

in the book by Haynes, Mark IV owners manual there is a picture of a mark IV with a fascine. The catext with the picture is as follows: auld reekie, a mark IV male with A batallion with its fascine prior to cambrai.

this tank has no grousers attached vrcause it is on a railroadcar. On page 91 there is another picture of Mark IV’s on a train with fascines attached.

hope this helps....

Willem


 Great!

I've already ordered that book, hope it will arrive at tuesday as announced.
Yes, I've seen also those pics on the internet. Well it makes sense, that they didn't attach them on the railway. Well, I'll see what I'm doing with the model later on..



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A possible explanation for the lack of spuds on the tracks of tanks on railway wagons is that the spuds

may have made the tanks too wide and exceeded the railway loading gauge. The Mark IV (and other rhomboids) couldn't

be transported by rail with the sponsons attached for this reason.

Charlie

 



-- Edited by CharlieC on Sunday 12th of November 2017 11:27:35 PM

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CharlieC wrote:

A possible explanation for the lack of spuds on the tracks of tanks on railway wagons is that the spuds

may have made the tanks too wide and exceeded the railway loading gauge. The Mark IV (and other rhomboids) couldn't

be transported by rail with the sponsons attached for this reason.

Charlie

 



-- Edited by CharlieC on Sunday 12th of November 2017 11:27:35 PM


 Yes, that makes sense.
And due the lack of photomaterial from those days it should be possible, that there were tanks with spuds and fascines in action.
So if they were attached by the crew on own judgement?



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