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Ralph Lovett


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In the last few days I have imported from the UK a German 10,5cm lFH Limber box. It had been used as a wine cabinet in a French cellar so survived in fairly good condition.  I plan to rebuild the limber for service with my 10,5cm lFH "16.  In outward appearance and with different wheels it should also work for my two 7,7cm lFK "96 n/A.

I have the correct wheels and most of the correct saddles and harnessing for this piece but what I am missing is the under-frame for the Limber. I know of a good example of this limber in Ankara, Turkey at Ataturk's Mausoleum.  I am also aware of the 7,7cm lFK type Limber in the Belgium Army Museum. (I have good photos of this one)

I am interested to know if there are other Limbers of this type out there.  Also I am looking for better technical drawings for this Limber especially the under-frame. 

I believe the 10,5cm and 7,7cm Limbers only differ in their interior shelving and wheels. Any ideas on this are welcomed. 


I have attached photographs of the 10,5cm lFH Limber box and drawings of the frame and limber.  These drawings are not detailed enough for reproducing this under-frame.  

The link for my web page on the 10,5cm Limber is http://lovettartillery.com/10.5cm_leichte_Feld_Haubitze_Limber.html

The link to the German Field Artillery horse harnessing and saddles page is http://lovettartillery.com/Field%20Artillery%20Saddle%20and%20Harness.html

Any help is greatly appreciated

Ralph Lovett
http://lovettartillery.com/index.html


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Amazing! How did you find out that it existed???

Also: if at all possible, please look for traces of the original paint. I am always eager to hear about new shades of the ubiquitous but elusive "Feld Grau".

And: I must say: your collection is AMAZING. It most surely be the foremost private artilelry collection in the world. Am I correct?

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Blimey. Makes my monthly trip to the model shop look like small potatoes.

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Peter & James

It appears to have much of its original Field Grey paint. I will try to preserve this as much as possible in the restoration process. Where there is rust, I will carefully wire brush and re-paint with Field Grey. There is also a yellowish green that has been over painted at some point. I may just have to accept this. I assume it is WW1 Era too.

The same fellow I traded with to get the German 9cm C/1873 field gun in Britain also had this limber box. He got it out of France where it had been quite well preserved in a Frenchmans wine cellar. We tried to work out a trade but ended up setting on a cash deal. I had to hurry up and pay him as the US dollar has declined in value. What had been a fairly good deal because of this weak US dollar ended up being rather costly for me. That said, I dont think there is another out there (at least in North America) and for me, having at least one of my howitzers complete as a system has been a long term goal. Having the harnessing and saddles for the six horse team and the 10,5cm lFH "16, then need for the middle part (the Limber) is obvious.

There is of course still a lot of work to go. The under-frame is an obstacle but I feel sure that I will find a good example to make a pattern from, even if it takes another trip to Ataturks Mausoleum or the Belgium Army Museum. There is also the possibility that someone has a good technical drawing of the limber with dimensions. I have found one of the German Field Artillery Caisson from a friend here in the US but so far a technical drawing of the Limber of this quality has not been forthcoming.

I also have a deal going for a US version of the French 75mm mle/97 Caisson so expect a post related to this piece soon.

Thanks for the kind words regarding the collection

Ralph Lovett


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In the last few days I have finally been able to get leave from work and make a bit more progress on the restoration on the German 10,5cm lFH 1898/09 Limber (Protze).  The limber box came from France.  It survived all these years as a wine cabinet in a Frenchman’s basement.  The other parts including the under-frame, and wheels came from eastern Germany.  I attached one photo but to see much more click onto the link below:

 

 http://lovettartillery.com/10.5cm_leichte_Feld_Haubitze_Limber.html

 

This is the WWI Era harnessing and saddles for this limber:

 

 http://lovettartillery.com/Field%20Artillery%20Saddle%20and%20Harness.html

 

And the WW2 Era harnessing and saddles for this limber:

http://lovettartillery.com/WW2_ERA_German_Art_Saddle_Harnessing.html

 

R/

 

Ralph Lovett

 



 



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