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Sturm78


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Hi all

I start a new thread for gun identification. It is the continuation of a previous thread about the same theme:
See http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=63528&p=3&topicID=34875473

I will start with this howitzer. Can anybody identify it?

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Thanks in advance. Sturm78


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15cm sFH 02

Lots more about the gun at http://www.lovettartillery.com/15cm_schwere_Feldhaubitze_1902_15cm_s_F_H_02.html

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Charlie


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Thank you very much, Charlie. smile

Can anybody help me with this rare gun? confuse

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Thanks in advance. Sturm78



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Thread hijack!

This howitzer is in a park at Redcliffs, Victoria - anyone know what it is. Unfortunately
couldn't get breech details. There is a royal cipher on the barrel which I don't recognise.

Regards,

Charlie



-- Edited by CharlieC on Tuesday 28th of December 2010 01:07:09 PM

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Please Charlie, show some pity for me... This is another one that I never knew to be used in the war... Thats number 133 on my list... smile

It is the 21cm number 3 Mörser L/10 from Krupp of 1906. This one was tested by the army and all the needed improvements were incorporated in the 1910 Mörser.

With kind regards,

-Arie.



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According to Billett's book on War Trophies the Redcliff 21cm came from the pool of surrendered guns at the end of WW1. The same book says the serial no. on the gun
is #5 which fits with a small production run.

Regards,

Charlie

-- Edited by CharlieC on Tuesday 28th of December 2010 11:19:18 PM

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Hello Arie,

What of the KuK Marine gun above ?  Could it be their old 7cm naval gun mounted to an extemporized recoil mount.   Clearly intended for BAK use.  ( Note the muzzle plug. ) The location is any one's guess,  but possibly Pola.   Curiously,  an Army officer stands next the piece,  while two sailors are visible; one of whom is armed.
What is your guess ?
( I trust your daughter had a wonderful Christmas. )

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Hi Jack,

Unfortunately I have now Idea on the identity of the KuK gun. My son had a wonderful Christmas. He is enjoying it very much. He decorated our tree on his own. You can imagine the state it's in, as he is only 4 years old. No decorations at the bottom, none at the top. Everything is in the middle... smile

Hi Charlie,

Two batteries of the number 3 Versuchsmörser (tryout mortar) were delevered to the troops for testing. So only eight were built. It is especially interesting to know that at least one served untill the end of the war!

With kind regards,

-Arie.

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I've updated the Landships II article on the 21cm Morser to include the prototypes, a bunch of images of Versuchsmorser Nr.3 and information supplied by Arie.

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Charlie

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Building on Arie's ID of this piece,  it had a range of 5000 meters.  As a comparison,
the  21cm Msr L/12 could reach 9400 meters,  while the later L/14.5  1916 version could hit at 10,200 meters.

To further compare,  the Brit long 8 inch howitzer had a range of almost 11,000 meters.  Interestingly,  captured batteries of it and the earlier short version( 7000 meter range ) were both put into service by the Germans.

Information gleaned from Schirmer's: " Das Gerat der Schweren Artillerie vor, in und nach dem Weltkrieg"

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Hi Jack,

Page 93 of 'Das Gerät der Schweren Artillerie' by Schirmer states that the range of the 21cm Versuchsmörser Nr 3 was 7,000 meters. Mine seems to be a first edition (1937). Do you perhaps possess a revised version?

With kind regards,

-Arie.

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Hallo Arie!   I'm afraind I've commited a typographical error!  ( I must develope the fundamental habit of proof reading my messages before sending ! )  The range was indeed 7,000 meters.   See attached from the subject book.


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Hi Jack,

Don't worry, I was doubting my own eyesight too smile

I see you have the photobook of Das Gerät der Schweren Artillery as well. I only have the textbook.

With kind regards,

-Arie.

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Hi all,

75mm Mle 1897 in AA role but, What carriage? confuse

 

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Find answers in new tread.

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Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. I think it is a 10cm K14 german gun.

The question is: The gun appears to be anchored to a circular platform.

Would this platform let a 360 degrees traverse?
Is this platform a standard equipment for this gun?
Does somebody know the german designation for this platform?

Thanks in advance. Sturm78

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Back to the 21cm Versuchsmorser. I emailed the curator of the Red Cliffs museum to check if they knew anything of its history. They didn't but were interested in the background to the gun. Parts of the email exchange recently appeared in an article in the local Mildura Weekly - http://www.milduraweekly.com.au/?p=3247.

I can only hope now that they know they have a unique gun that they look after it.

Regards,

Charlie


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Hi all,

Can somebody help me to identify this artillery piece?

Image from Ebay
Thanks in advance. Sturm78

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10.5cm lFH 98/09

see http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bulgarian%20Artillery%201/Deposito/0K105mmHbQF_1898-09.jpg

source: WETZIG. Sonja : German Artillery 1864 - 1910. Atglen : Schiffer 1996, p. 21


-- Edited by MCP on Wednesday 23rd of March 2011 06:09:23 PM

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Thank you very much for your help, MCP. smile

Regards Sturm78

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Hi all,

 

A more difficult question: Can somebody identify this gun?

Image from Ebay

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Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. I think 10cm K14 guns. Can somebody confirm this?

 

Thanks in advance. Sturm78



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Hi all,

Can somebody identify this gun??

 

Image from Ebay

Thanks in advance. Sturm78

 



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The German designation for this weapon system is:

7,7cm Sockel-Geschutse (system Ehrhardt) mit 7,7cm L/35(Franz.)

This platform was produced in large numbers and carried either the French M1897 as pictured here, the Russian 7,62cm M1902,  or the 7,7cm Rheinmetall M1914/16.

The weapon has suffered a barrel burst that removed the forward portion of the recoil mechanisim, and likely some of the crew.   

 



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Hello,

The casemated gun photograph posted by Sturm78 and dated March 24th 2011 is a:

"Canon de 16 cm modèle 1893 sur affût à châssis modèle 1893", a Navy gun (164,7 mm caliber) installed near Verdun and captured during german attack on Verdun in februar 1916.This gun fired in 1915-1916 chiefly on german railroad Station of Conflans-Jarny.
At februar 21th 1916, the french Navy "canonniers marins" manned around Verdun 2 240 mm guns (Peruvian coast guns requisitionned in Schneider factory in 1914), 2 16 cm navy guns modèle 1893 (164,7 mm) and 8 14 cm navy guns modèle 1910 (138,6 mm).
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.

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Thank you very much for your answers, 28juni14 and ALVF. smile

 

Does you have any other image of the 7,7cm Sockel-Geschutse (system Ehrhardt) mit 7,7cm L/35?

On the other hand I need help with these two images (from Ebay)

 

Thanks in advance. Sturm78



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Hello,

These two photographs show one of the four 38-cm SKL/45 in Bettungsschiessgerüst of the coast battery "Deutschland" in Bredeene (Belgium).
Three guns of this battery had mountings "45° Bettungsschiessgerüst" and one had the "55° Bettungsschiessgerüst" with armored shields built in 1917, the two photographs show a 45° Bettungsschiessgerüst.
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.

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Thank you very much again, Guy François.

Very useful information.smile

Any idea for this one?

 

Image from Ebay

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Hello,

It is one gun of "Tirpitz" Battery armed with four 28-cm SKL/45 Kst.P.L (guns made for Holland, not yet delivered in 1914 and requisitionned).
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.



-- Edited by ALVF on Tuesday 7th of June 2011 08:44:56 PM

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Thank you very much for your reply, ALVF. smile

 

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Hi all,

Does somebody have any additional information about these two french Schneider guns?

 

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Thanks in advance. Sturm78



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bulgarianartillery.it has pages on the 75mm Schneider-Danglis mountain gun and

the 75mm Schneider-Canet Mle 1912 - very similar to these guns.

http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bulgarian%20Artillery%201/Schneider-Danglis%2075mm%201910_Gb.htm

http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bulgarian%20Artillery%201/Schneider-Canet%2075mm%201912%20Serbian.htm

Regards,

Charlie

 



-- Edited by CharlieC on Monday 15th of August 2011 11:03:39 AM

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The mountain gun was adopted by the Turkish Army in 1911, see :

http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bulgarian%20Artillery%201/Schneider-Canet%2075mm%201911_Gb_Turkish.htm



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Hello,

The "commercial" designation of Schneider Guns is complicated:

-the mountain guns are on MA, MC, MD, MPC, MPD, MPE series!
The MD series included (for guns adopted by at least one country):
-70 mm MD : Spain and Portugal in 1903.
-75 mm MD : Peru in 1903.
-70 mm MD2 : Serbia in 1904.
-75 mm MD2T: Turquie in 1911.

-the field gun are also complicated, the PD series included (guns adopted by one country):
-75 mm PD : Portugal in 1903.
-75 mm PD 6 and PD 6bis: Serbia in 1907.
-75 mm PD 7: Grèce (of which 32 guns requisitionned in emergency by France in 1914 as "modèle 1914").
-75 mm PD 8 (?): Spain: 200 guns made in 1908.
-75 mm PD 12: Italia (prototype only).
-76 mm PD 13: Russia.
-75 mm PD 13bis: France (Horse artillery gun "modèle 1912").

Yours sincerely,
Guy François.

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Excuse me, Guy, are you sure that the Schneider field gun adopted by Serbia is PD 6 and PD 6bis. In Serbian sources I found PD2. Do you know anything about the "PD2"?

Thanks,

Marco



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Hello,

The "PD 2" is the first of the "75 mm de campagne puissant" type, I think it is a prototype.The PD 6, PD 6bis, PD 7 and PD 8 are nearly identical.
I have the Schneider Manual for the "75 mm de campagne puissant" which is the commercial manual for all theses "PD" types.
French archives said that PD 6 and PD 6bis are for Serbia.
I search for Schneider guns, it is very complicated!
I have also the Manual for the "75 mm de campagne à tir rapide" type K.E, the model sold to Persia in 1906 and I search yet for a photograph!
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.

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Thanks. The denomination of the Schneider guns is really a complex matter.



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Thank you very much for your help,  ALVF

 

Regards Sturm78



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75 mm PD 6 in Serbia 75 mm M7 and PD 6bis in Serbia 75 mm M7A. Completly diferent sights and other minor diferents.
70 mm MD2 in Serbia 70 mm M7.



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