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Caretaker


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Hello

I'm wondering if I could tap into the collective expertise of this forum.


Captured Armoured Car


The is a picture taken around Es Salt in 1918 purporting to be an armoured car captured by the Germans of the Asien Corps.

On the side door is the following description: D Battery

Just behind the wheel housing is the serial number: LC 0297

I am wondering if anyone knows anything about the story on the capture of this vehicle?

  • When was it captured?
  • Where was it captured?
  • What unit was it allotted to?
  • The fate of the crew?

Thanks in advance.





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LincolnTanker


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Welcome to the forum Caretaker, 

this photo was discussed in this Topic :-

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=63528&p=3&topicID=35763905

It would be good if more info could be found.

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Hiyah.

I'd forgotten about the previous post. It seems there are a few views on this. One is that a RR was captured at Gaza. That makes sense, because the Asienkorps ended up there. Another is that it was taken near Amman.

BTW, as regards the linguistic side of things, it strikes me that Beute must be related to the English "booty" (in its more traditional sense). The meaning appears to have morphed over the years. It seems to have something to do with exchanging goods, although "barter" comes from a different root. Maybe it was something offered by an enemy in exchange for being spared but came to mean something taken from an enemy. Angebot is an offering, which could be connected somewhere along the way.

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Howdy,

I just turned up another photo of this car that may help.  You can see it (and even zoom-in to the image) here:    http://www.canstockphoto.com/wwi-captured-english-armored-car-2504435.html

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It appears that the writing on the side says "12th Battery", "L.A.M.B. DE", and "LC^0807".  At the risk of exposing my ignorance of period uniforms, the gent at the left appears to be a German while the rest of the soldiers appear to be Turks.  Is this correct?  Also, can anyone identify the badge on the car door behind the German(?) soldier?

zoom.php?id=2504435&width=1308&top=213&left=3&zoomWidth=325&zoomHeight=228

Any information about this armoured car or the circumstances of its capture is welcome!

MarkV

-- Edited by MarkV on Friday 21st of January 2011 09:57:43 PM

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Hi All, Heres a thread from Desert Column

German Middle East photos

it shows this car and links to another pic  AWM P01148.003

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-- Edited by Ironsides on Friday 21st of January 2011 09:24:24 PM

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Ironsides,

Great!  The first photo on the page that you linked to features several cars with what is presumably the same German shield as seen on the door of the car in the captured armoured car photo, while the discussion on page two of that site summarizes and corrects the infomation visible in the "canstockphoto" image.  Now all we need is the story of how this came to pass!

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Hello everyone.

Thanks very much for the rapid replies. My question was more hope than anything else but it certainly has taken on another dimension. Thanks to LincolnTanker aka ChrisG, James H, and Ironsides. Each of your contributions has gone a long way to tease out this story, each entry causing others to jog their memories. The links are excellent and worth following.

MarkV has supplied the pic which allows this story to progress. The site was a great find as was the photograph


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We now have the identity of the vehicle:

12th Battery Light Armoured Motor Brigade, vehicle number LC 807



The history will be relatively simple to find - just one heck of a lot of research till it is discovered.

I shall let you all know the results.

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Cheers

Caretaker




-- Edited by Caretaker on Saturday 22nd of January 2011 02:01:33 AM

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Hello everyone.

Found it!

Anzac Mounted Division War Diary (AWM4-1-60-13), Part 1, p. 36,

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    26 March 1917:

    1830 No. 7 Light Car Patrol reported to Headquarters Anzac Mounted Division on return and ordered to return to their base. Nos. 11 and 12 Light Armoured Motor Batteries failed to report, and as subsequently appeared, camped in the vicinity of En Er Resein.


    27 March 1917:

    0430 At 0430, the Light Armoured Motor Batteries broke up camp and moved south. Here they got among the enemy, and fought for some two hours, eventually getting away with the loss of one box car, having inflicted considerable casualties on the enemy.


This is the general description of the fracas.

Now that it has been identified, it should not take too long to find out the specifics of the story. However, we can see from this that both the Nos. 11 and 12 Light Armoured Motor Batteries were engaged on the previous evening but broke off their duties at their own discretion and camped at a place of their choosing at En Er Resein. When they chose to set off in the morning, they found their route cut off and had to fight their way through the Turkish troops to escape. In this they lost a car.


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I suspect this is the car.

Now to find the records to tell the greater story.

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Two pictures of (other?) captured english AC(s) from ebay:

"German asien corps Palestina front 1917"

 

Cheerio

Oirob

 

 



-- Edited by oirob on Friday 12th of August 2011 08:15:09 AM

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