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wheelsjbl


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Hello all

I have recently (yesterday) obtained access to a personal collection of photographs taken by CSM J. CUMMING 1022 of the Australian 11th Battalion and later the Camel Corps in Eygpt and Palestine.

To the best of my knowledge they have never been seen before and I am taking great delight in viewing and scanning the photos for their owner who has given me permission for their use. 

Each original photo is fairly small, about 10cm x 5.5cm (roughly) and some are better quality than others. Given they were taken nearly 100 years ago, most are actually in quite good condition, and I am attempting to scan them at a high resolution to allow the owner to reprint them.

Among them are the following 3 shots. 2 are of tanks and the 3rd of traction engines, all taken in Palestine during WW1.

The two tanks are simple hand labelled as British tanks knocked out at the first battle of Gaza. I believe the labelling, done in pen on the rear of the photos was done by Cumming himself but long after the war as the writing is very scrawly and obviously done by a shaky hand.

The two tanks after being scanned and then viewed are named. This is not so apparant on the originals. One is clearly named "Kia Ora" the other is not quite as clear, but I believe it to be "Ole Luk Oie"

Not knowing much about tanks in Palestine I have done a quick bit of digging and have found out a little about them.

I thought I would share the shots here. Unfortunately I cannot recover the shadow detail on Kia Ora, I know all the techniques and have the correct software but it is not there on the original photo to be recovered.

Other than sharpening the shots a little, these have not been manipulated in any way.

Cheers

Brian  

 



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Pat


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Thanks for sharing the images, and welcome to the forum.

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Thanks! These are the best photos I have seen yet and the Mk I photo is just what I neede to complete my kit.



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Wow, what terrific photos! Thanks for posting them here. As I get older my eyes increasingly deceive me, but is there something painted above the name "Ole Luk Oie" - is it a cartoon?

Gwyn

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It kind of looks like a skull or a face.



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I have had a good look at my high res version of the photo and there is no cartoon or painting above the lettering. There are two off-white almost vertical lines visible with the left one longer than the right and a couple of small "marks".

 

I don't know what they are though. Some of the smaller marks may just be photo "noise"  but the lines could be anything. I don't believe they are a picture or anythng like that, the appear to have a 3D look, like for example a line of welding but what they ACTUALLY are, I don't know.

 

Brian

 



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Ah, pity, a skull would have made a sort of sense. Apart from paying tribute to Swinton's pre-war literary efforts under that pseudonym, Ole Luk-Oie (Ole shut-eye, the Sandman, whatever) had a brother in the Anderson fairytale, also called Ole Luk Oie who was death incarnate. You sure you can't find a skull in there Brian?biggrin

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Now I've had a chance to compare the photo of Ole-Luk-Oie with others of the same tank, this is the only one that shows the "frame" or whatever it is, above the hull. What do others think it is? A sun shield, like the tractors?

Gwyn

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Can't remember the source now, but I think I read that the sticky-up things were a cage to retain supplies and suchlike. I'm sure I've seen a photo of it being put to that use.



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James H wrote:

Can't remember the source now, but I think I read that the sticky-up things were a cage to retain supplies and suchlike. I'm sure I've seen a photo of it being put to that use.

 Yeah, I think old threads on Gaza tanks have such pics; there's one called On The Beach - it may be a place to look.



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The tanks carried a lot of supplies as part of their missions and the iron guides were to keep the supplies on the tank. I posted a picture of Ole-Luk-Oye in a thread titled Gaza Mk I with Spuds and it shows the tank with a heavy amount of supplies on the roof.



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I've been searching threads on the Gaza tanks and found this one.

Just noticed Ole Luk-Oie, a MkI male, has a silencer and exhaust pipe, whereas Kia Ora, a MkI female has not.

An interesting detail I hadn't noticed before.



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I think that most, if not all, of the surviving MkI tanks in Egypt were retro-fitted with a silencer and exhaust pipe sometime between the Second and Third Battles of Gaza.



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That makes sense, Rhomboid. Maybe it was done after that incident when they set the stores they carried on the roof alight.

In this thread there is a pic of Ole Luk Oie with the usual MkI "hats" over the exhaust holes, so I guess it was taken soon after its arrival in theatre.

http://landships.activeboard.com/t35474066/e-companypalestine-1917/

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New picture for me from AWM, Sir Reginald as I sure.

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-- Edited by Alpha Six on Saturday 23rd of April 2016 05:23:26 PM

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Hello Denis,

Great find! Thanks for sharing it. yes it can only be Sir Reginald.

Best regards

Ralf

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