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Hi,

For British Rifle Grenades, I read somewhere that the user/firer was assisted with a loader or at least someone to carry additional grenades for firing as some versions were fitted with spigots. Can anyone tell me if this is correct or were rifle grenadiers self contained chaps.

I am aware that rifle grenadiers were organised into separate sections in platoons but I presumed it would have been easier and safer, with the cup version especially, for the firer to put the rifle butt on the ground while another soldier primed the grenade and placed it in the rifle or cup?

 

 



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Also interested in responses - using the EY rifle with discharger cup in the 1950s was a one man job (Australian training) FWIW.

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Hi Armchair, What you want is:

Training and employment of bombers, issued by the General Staff Sept 1916

there is also an earlier one (march 1916) available but not I think from this site.

It deals with the Rifle grenade attachment* Mills No23 with rod attached, Rifle Grenadiers were trained to fire standing up as well(to fire from deep trenches including fixed bayonet...) it does not include the later "Cup discharger"

a good place to look for such manuals is here many British and French(translated) WW1 manuals can be found:

http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/search/co,llection/p4013coll9/searchterm/grenades/order/nosort

a few excerpts

Pg 9: "4. Squads of one noncommissioned officer and eight men will
normally comprise two bayonet men, two throwers, two carriers
(reserve throwers), one rifle bomber, one spare man (sniper or rifle
bomber) ,
and the leader (noncommissioned officer) . The squad may
be subdivided into two groups if necessary.
Every member of the squad should be thoroughly trained in the
duties of every position, so that he can take Liny place in the squad.
If this is done the composition of the squad can be varied to suit
circumstances."

Pg 13: "Nos. 6 and 7, the carrier's (reserve throwers). They will keep a watch
on their respective throwers, and insure that they always have a
grenade handy when required. They must be particularly careful
not to follow too close on the thrower lest they should embarrass him
in the act of throwing. They must be thoroughly trained in the
duties of the throwers, and be ready to take their place in case of
casulaties.
Nos. 8 and 9, rifle bombers. Their duties are to outrange hostile
bombers when there is any danger of the attack being checked and
thus, when necessary, to cover the advance of the squad. They
can also cover the flanks of the squad, when required.
The reserve bayonet man, if only one bayonet man is used in
advance of the party, may act as sniper. The duties of the sniper
.are to keep down the heads of the hostile bombing party, to break
their periscopes and thus prevent them from observing their fire,
and to protect his own squad from hostile snipers."

 

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Thanks very much for that.

In following those links and clicking on the pdfs it tells me they have downloaded but there is nothing to see confused.gif

 



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Hi Armchair click on the light blue button that ses Download in the top right hand corner, works fine for me... there's two files that need to be downloaded seperatly.... can also be found here as a single file bit heavier though...

http://archive.org/details/trainingemployme00unitrich

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Okay thanks. I will give it a try.



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