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Hello Gentlemen

It’s been awhile, I have been looking through some old files and I came across photo’s and information regarding the "Tanque Salinas"  Mexican Heavy Tank of 1917 I thought it may induce some interesting conversations. The information is translated so I am sorry if some of it does not read very clear.

 

"Tanque Salinas"

Heavy Tank


Official designation:
Alternative notation: "Tanque Salinas", "TNCA Salinas"
Start of planning: 1917
Built the first prototype: 1917
Stage of Completion: one prototype was built.


The Mexican Revolution of 1910-1921 years. "Bore" not only many ardent revolutionaries, but also a number of unique samples of armored vehicles. It is "armored", because it was previously assumed that in addition to improvised armored vehicles produced in the piece quantities, the Mexicans could not create anything.


The idea to create a full tank, which could easily be classified as "heavy", owned by Alberto Salinas Carranza. The project was created under the obvious influence of the British "rhombus" type Mark I, although the specifics of fighting in Mexico was strikingly different from that of the Western Front. A detailed description of the design of this machine is currently missing. Nevertheless, in accordance with pictures can be assumed that in the chassis used  Heavy Multi-roller Chassis with blocked suspension rollers, front rails and rear driving wheels. The upper branch track chain assembled of steel tracks, apparently supports the metal guide rails.

Tank shell in construction and arrangement differed little from their "grandparent". The main feature was a large artillery mount embrasure oblique frontal armor plate, and machine guns in the side sponsons. The housing is mounted on the roof of the massive box-cutting, where the space for the driver and the vehicle commander. Thus, the complete tank crew could consist of 6-8 people. As for the power plant, it can be assumed that the tank was equipped with a gasoline engine power 90-100 hp and manual transmission.

Arm tank going, neither more nor less,  turret gun design hotchkiss caliber 47 mm. These guns were intended mainly to equip the ships, but they found application not only at sea. Their main advantage was a good accuracy of fire, but it can be realized only in the melee. The disadvantage of the turret gun was her weight, which together with the pedestal was about 580 kg. At the same time, as a definite advantage may be noted magazine-loading.


Construction of the first prototype was made by Talleres Nacionales de Construcciones Aeronauticas (TNCA), located in g.Balbuena. These aircraft workshops had very modern equipment and aircraft engaged in small-scale production. Apparently, the assembly of the tank took a little time since his first photos date from the year 1917. In foreign sources call it "Tanque Salinas" or "TNCA Salinas".

No information regarding the testing of the first Mexican tank could not be found. Apparently, sea trials, he still did. Mexican sources suggest that the number of "Tanque Salinas" could be more than one, but given the dire economic situation of the country at this very difficult to believe. It is also argued that the prototype tank owned constitutionalist Army, took part in battles with rebels in the final stage of the revolutionary events. Estimated in 1921-1922. "Tanque Salinas" decommissioned and sent to the Air Force base in Balbuene (it is possible that the tank never left its territory), where he was to live out his life. Ultimately, after buying the 1930s. Party tanks Marmon-Herrington, this unique specimen armor was scrapped.

Sources:
Todo Por Mexico!!!: LA HISTORIA DEL ARMA BLINDADA
TNCA Salinas: El primer tanque mexicano


BASIC DATA heavy tanks
"Tanque Salinas" sample 1917

BATTLE GROUND

~ 20000 kg

Crew.

~ 6

DIMENSIONS

Length,

~ 7000

Width

~ 2000

Height, mm

~ 3000

Clearance

~ 500

WEAPONS

 one 47 mm cannon and two machine gun Hotchkiss

Allowance of ammunition

?

AIMING DEVICES

?

AVAILABILITY

?

ENGINE

petrol

TRANSMISSION

mechanical type

CHASSIS

: blockaded suspension rollers, steel caterpillar tracks

SPEED

?

Cruising on the highway

?

Overcome obstacles

Lifting angle, deg.

?

Wall height, m

?

Fording depth, m

?

Trench, m

?

COMMUNICATION

-

 

 

 



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Great hearing from you, how you been? I've tried emailing before but got nothing, though odd spam emails have come from your address so I guessed you were hacked.

What a fascinating subject!

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Hello Roger

How have you been? I have been around sneaking in a post here and there and I have been endevavoring in other passions like WW1 Submarine's , Board track racing and playing with my daughter which as you can emagine takes up a lot of extra time.

I will send you a private message with new email.

All the best

Tim R



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Ay, caramba. Just when you think there's nothing left to discover.

I hesitate to risk causing more consternation, but, in the light of recent discussions, I don't suppose this vehicle might have made it to Nicaragua?



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I dont think so, but never say never.

All the best

Tim R.



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Well, well, well. I don't believe this. Better move this thread to the "Modelling" section.

 

Tanque Salinas.jpg

 

http://blog.tankpedia.org/2013/10/13/tnca-salinas-tanque-salinas-mexicos-first-indigenous-tank/dscn1391/

 



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Yes I saw that while I was researching the Tanque Salinas, but I could never find a reliable source to purchase it. Hopefully some one can locate such a place.

 

All the best

Tim R.



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Yours for only $380.

http://www.hobbymex.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=H&Product_Code=FBK72201

Mind you, the fact that there's a kit at all is remarkable. Fair play to them.

This Alberto Salinas Carranza seems to have been something of a geezer.



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Yes, but ....

$ means Mexican Peso NOT USD!

So the price is around 20 Euros



-- Edited by elbavaro on Thursday 26th of June 2014 11:30:58 AM

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elbavaro wrote:

$ means Mexican Peso


 Well, that I did not know. I thank you.



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Fascinating thing.

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James H wrote:

Ay, caramba. Just when you think there's nothing left to discover.


 You can say that again!  What a neat vehicle - it looks like something Hollywood or a toy company might dream up.  I especially like the creative reuse of the Hotchkiss revolving gun in the nose.  Do you think there's an internal mantlet attached to it, or is there simply a big hole there with the gun sticking through?

 

Matt



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So far as I can see, there's a shield around the gun,which would presumably move just inside the glacis plate as the gun was traversed or elevated.

Quite a surprise to see that Mexico had a rhomboid tank so early!

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