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Ralph Lovett · General

German Manufactured 7,5cm Kanone Export Gun

Ralph Lovett · General

I got a technical drawing today from a fellow artillery collector that makes me think my 7.5cm Kanone might be Dutch. The drawings seem to be a very close match. I have attached the drawings. Any ideas about this gun are welcomed.

28juni14 · Hero

Ralph,

Other than caliber, are there any real differences when compared to your c73 ?

Ralph Lovett · General

Jack

Yes, the handle and worm gear for the breech on the 9cm Kanone is on the top. The 7,5cm Kanone 1881 has the worm gear and handle mounted to the back of the block. My 9cm Kanone C/73 has the mount for an indirect fire sight. Not all 9cms have this but none of the four known 7,5cm K. 81s have an indirect fire sight, only the direct fire sight mount. There are no brakes on the 7,5cm whereas the 9cm has brakes. The 7,5cm K. 81 is also about 3/4 of the size of the 9cm.

Generally, however they are very similar. Both are bag guns fired with friction primers and with typical Krupp sliding wedge breech systems. The layout of the carriage is very close. From a distance it would be difficult to tell them apart.

R/

Ralph

-- Edited by Ralph Lovett on Tuesday 21st of June 2016 10:41:07 PM

Barbanente · Major

Hi

For clarifying concepts

In the topic Krupp 75mm guns in Argentina (and other WW1 pieces) I have added photo of the Krupp 75 mm / L25.6 Model 1880 field gun (Argentine Army designation) mounted on an wood carriage and semi-cylindrical wedge, seems to have been one of the older style breech loaders without the additional breech jacket (pre C73).

It is possible that confuse the reception year of these guns (1880) with the Model year that it should be earlier the C73.

Regards

Eduardo

Barbanente · Major

Hi

In the Museo Histórico del Ejercito en Ciudadela is a 75mm Krupp equal to that of the previous note but with metallic gun carriage.

Krupp 75mm en Museo Histórico del Ejercito - Ciudadela

It looks very much like a Krupp which is now on exhibit at the Museum of Artillery Rotunda (Woolwich), captured of the Egyptians at Tel-El-Kebir in 1882, and is engraved as Fried Krupp - Essen - 1871 .

This would explain one of my old doubts, if the Argentine Army really bought the Mod.1871 Krupp cannons. Apparently if it did much later, and they classified as Mod.1880 ???

It is known that Krupp sold outdated models (pre C73), including at the "developed countries" such as Turkey, Japan etc., years after the commissioning of C / 73.

Anyway, if there were "real" Krupp Model 1880 in Argentina.

The most viewed are those found in the Museo de Armas del Círculo Militar

Upon entering the Museum is a small cannon of "landing". It is a Krupp 40mm L30 Model 1880

Krupp de 40mm L30 de desembarco 1880

And in one of its rooms you can see a Krupp 75mm L11,5 Modelo Argentino1880 mountain gun

Krupp de 75mm L11,5 Modelo Argentino1880 de montaña

By looking at looks almost equal to 7,5cm Mountain Cannon L/13 (1891) with Chilean national marks of the Lovett Artillery Collection (Ralph Lovett.)

The big difference is not in the year of manufacture. The difference is that the Argentine Model 1880 used Broadwell Ring, bagged propellant charge and friction primer

And the Model 1891 Chilean used firing pin and cartridge (see the cord shot to the left of the breech block)

Regads

Eduardo

Barbanente · Major

Hi

A curiosity.

In 1882, Argentina "copy" to Fried. Krupp 7,5cm Kanone Export Gun, and made the field cannon "75mm, Krupp system, year 1881".

It was built in Parque de Artillería en la ciudad de Buenos Aires (Artillery Park in the city of Buenos Aires) in 1882 under the direction of Colonel Domingo Viejobueno.-

It was much like the Krupp with a modified gun carriage, but his biggest difference was that it was built in bronze compressed (as they called it by the Spaniards) or bronze-steel (as they called it the Austrians). This was a bronze alloy that had similar performance to steel of that period, but it was easier work it, its structure was more homogeneous, and generally had a better finish

Although similar results were obtained to the Krupp, the Lieutenant General Paul Ricchieri (minister of war during the second presidency of Julio Argentino Roca) preferred to buy the guns of steel for the Argentine Army and they are received in 1884 (true Kanone Export Gun)

Today, one of these guns is in the Museo de Armas del Círculo Militar (Museum of Arms Military Circle), an institution in which Colonel Domingo Viejobueno was a founding member

Regards

Eduardo