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A bit of an "Off topic", but some of these guns were still in reserve by th e outbreak of the First World War- This is a Krupp 75 mm L.24 mod. 1895 (couresy Mayor S. Toyos R.E.) Note the Maxim-Nordenflet screw breech block common to all Argentine Krupp guns in this caliber up to the Krupp mod. 1909...

 



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Krupp 75mm L.30 model 1909 field guns undergoing maintenance at an Army Arsenal, probably Esteban de Luca, in Buenos Aires c. 1927

 

An "One-off" Argentine modification of the Krupp 75 mm L.28 mod. 1898 field gun-A tube was fitted to a pedestal mount manufactured at the Esteban de Luca Arsenal, no details are known other than it never progressed beyond the prototype stage, and hat the 1898 tube was re-chambered  for the Krupp 75mm L.30 mod. 1909 shell

 



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A Krupp 75 mm L.30 mod. 199 photographed c. 1997.

Krupp 75 mmL.30 Mod. 1909 of a motorized unit in maneuvers, 1930s. Note the Helmet Md. 1938 (Swiss Helmet M18)

 



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This Krupp 75 mm L.30 was photographed outside the Argentine Army's Escuela Superior Técnica a few years ago.




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Hi

 

It has already been shown (and proven) that the Krupp 7.5cm L30 Modelo Argentino 1909 has breech block  Wellin type. And that is very easy to prove, not only with the hundreds of photos that show it, but also with the dozens of cannons of that model preserved in which you can see "physically" said breech

 

In the thesis of Dr. Gral. Dick, in his Appendix - item XXIV, you can read the copy of the “Contrato para la adquisición de artillería de campaña 7,5cm L30” It can be read that the Argentine Army requests the use of the breech type Wellin

 

In addition in the Manual of the Krupp 7.5 cm Modelo Argentino 1909, in the 1st part "Descripción del material de Artillería 7.5cm L30 M / 909" ("Description of the Artillery material 7.5cm L30 M / 909") describes the breech block as "Wellin system"

 

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Eduardo



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a Krupp 75 mm L.30 mod. 1909, part of half a battery ("A section" I'm Argentine military terms) employed by the Experimental Motorized Battalion during the 1936 Maneuvers. The trailer was a copy of a similar vehicle displayed during the 1931 Maneuvers of the U.S. Army, and replaced later by a more modern and efficient carriage

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A Krupp 75 mm L.30 mod. 1909 of the 9th Artillery Group, a unit created during the Second World War


 

Now, about General Dick's book :

On Pag. 346, he describes the Breech Block of he 75 mmL.30 mod. 1909 as Wellin, all and good, but on page 343 me refers to the Breech Block employed by the older guns as "Mellstrom" (sic)  and that one of the few inaccuracies of an otherwise fine book, as I can only surmise he mean to say Sellstrom

Here's a list of the Krupp ordnance acquired by Argentina during the 1890s, from the 2003  Annnals off the Argentine Military Intitute

However, he omits certain details   which an old friend of mine mention in his doctoral dissertation and its published version some years later ( 1999)

 

To wit:

 

1) The General omits the Krupp 12 pounder batteries acquired by the Argentine army during the Paraguayn war.. and furthermore, Gral Dick states that the first Krupps operated by the Argentine Army were the model 188-s 75 mm (field and mountain)

2) Thus clearly omitting an  second and earlier Krupp  type, the Model 1871...



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A page from my friends's book detailing the Krupps purchased during the Pataguayan war

 



-- Edited by Brunner88 on Tuesday 7th of February 2017 05:45:23 PM

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On the same work, reference to the  Krupp model 1871s...

 



-- Edited by Brunner88 on Tuesday 7th of February 2017 06:06:36 PM

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And the true origin of this photo, which depicts An Argentine Self-propelled gun which employs a Crusader tractor chassis and a Krupp 75mm L. 30 mod. 1909 (other vehicles with Bofors 75 mm L.40 cab ne seen in the background.

A photo from the same source via the TANK! website-

An Argentine M9 half-track converted into an SPG by armng it with a Krupp 75 mmm L.30 mod. 1909



-- Edited by Brunner88 on Tuesday 7th of February 2017 08:03:09 PM

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The 1st Mounted Artillery Regiment (Regimiento No.1 de Artillería Montada) c. 1937, still equipped with the Krupp 75mm L.30 mod. 1909 in a field problem. The artillery regiments would begin re-equipping with the Bofors 75 mm L.40 inn 1938.



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Some more pics of the Krupp 75mm L.30 mod. 1909-This example is preserved on one of the fields of the 2nd. Armored Artillery Group at Rosario del Tala (Prov. of Entre Rios)


 a battery of the 1st Regiment of Mounted Artillery in aa photo that looks right out of a drill book..



-- Edited by Brunner88 on Saturday 18th of February 2017 02:57:19 PM

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Another photo of the 7,5cm L.30 Mod. 109 during exercises, probably in the 1920s...



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The 1st Light Artillery Regiment ( Regimiento No. 1 de Artillería Ligera) c. 1902..with its Krupp 7,5cm L.28 Mod. 1898



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A page of the U.S. Army "Military Review" , part of a collection donated to our Club my a retired Senior Officer iin that service. The library and Museum were totally destroyed by a fire years ago. We were able to salvage a few books and photographs, and some loos e pages, including this. Note the reference to the argentine Krupp 1898s and the Melstrom breech-block..



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An original photo of a Krupp 7,5cm L.28 mod. 1898 field gun in front of a Buenos Aires police station, during the failed upheaval of 1905. The men wearing the Pickelhaube helmets aren't soldiers, but police constables.

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The Krupp 7,5cm L.30 mod. 1909 (as it was designated at the time) on a special mount,which according to the sign was produced at the Esteban de Luca Arsenal c. 1950 and mounted onboard half-tracks( usually M9) The original photo came from Gastón Loperena, an Argentine collectos of soft-skinned and armored vehicles.



The Crusader Gun Tractor Mk. III was acquired in large numbers by the Argentine Army c. 1947 and modified into Self-Propelles Guns for the Recce Detachments of the Infantry and the Recce Squadrons of the Cavalry. There were three vairiants A0 Schneider 105mm L.19 mod, 1928 howitzer, B0 Bofors 75 mm L.40 mod. 1935 cannon, and c) Krupp 75mm L.30 mod. 1909 cannon shown here

 

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Krupp 7,5cm L.30 Mod. 1909 No. 248 (out of an order for 516 guns, a total of 86 batteries) preserved at Bariloche, a city in the Southern Andes of Argentina. Geographicallly and weatherwise, the region is very reminescent of Garmisch-Partenkirchen.., in Bavaria.

 

 



-- Edited by Brunner88 on Tuesday 28th of February 2017 07:32:41 AM

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