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currently for sale on ebay is this photo of a Female covered in dirt with two Italian soldiers and a nurse next to it supposedly Bologna 1943. I can't see any identification marks on her and didn''t know any Females made it to Northern Italy or why this one was left.

I'd be interested if anyone know anything, it seems in an odd location with relation to the street too.

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a second photo of it is really low resolution sadly

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-- Edited by vollketten on Saturday 10th of June 2017 08:25:40 PM

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Now that is a mystery. I look forward to the unfolding of the story.



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It's a Mark V so I'm going to suggest this is not Bologna, or even Italy, but Russia. There were Italian troops fighting there alongside the Germans. Second possibility is still Russia, but these soldiers aren't Italian but Hungarian.

What evidence is there that this is Bologna? Or Italy?

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In fact, I think it might be the tank nearest the camera. This is (I believe though on the basis of no evidence whatsoever) Minsk.

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"What evidence is there that this is Bologna? Or Italy?"

That was simply how they were identified in the listing is all.



-- Edited by vollketten on Sunday 11th of June 2017 12:10:36 AM

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The vision flaps in the second pic made me wonder if it was a Mk V. Trouble is, afaik Minsk wasn't on the list of cities to receive Mk V presentation tanks. Does the lorry extreme left in the top picture help in any way?



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If the troops in the original image are Hungarian it's likely the tank was in a Southern Russian city. the Hungarian units

fought with Wehrmacht Army Group South in WW2. I guess this rules out Minsk. However, some of the southern cities

of the Soviet Union were known to have Mark V tank monuments. From memory Kiev, Kharkiv, Lugansk (Voroshilovograd in

Soviet times) all had Mark V monuments.

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I think the soldiers are Italian.

It must be somewhere in Russia, because the building on the left Shows a (red?) star abouve the entrance.

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How about Lugansk? Compare the building in the period image to a modern image of the Mark Vs in Lugansk.

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Yes, forget Minsk. Red herring (sorry, couldn't resist).

The cities with tanks were Lugansk, Kharkov, Leningrad, Kiev, Archangel, Rostov on Don, Smolensk and Voroshilovgrad (New Vanguard 95 page 39). Obviously not Archangel or Leningrad as they remained in Russian hands, nor is it Rostov on Don, Kiev, Kharkov or Smolensk because I know what those looked like. So its either Lugansk or Voroshilovgrad. Lugansk is a possible because we seem to have two (to use my terminology) RH Composites here - that is to say the Male sponsons are on the starboard or right hand side - just like Lugansk. There is only a 1 in 4 chance of that.

By the way, if in doubt this is a Mark V, I'd point out that the sponsons have the rectangular cut-outs in the gun shields as introduced on the Mark V. You do see these on Mark IVs retrofitted with Mark V sponsons, but these are always Females (with Male hulls) and not Composites, since there is no such thing as a Mark IV Composite.

Gwyn

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Sorry Charlie, not convinced by the building.

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Gwyn Evans wrote:

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 So its either Lugansk or Voroshilovgrad. Lugansk is a possible because we seem to have two (to use my terminology) RH Composites here - that is to say the Male sponsons are on the starboard or right hand side - just like Lugansk. There is only a 1 in 4 chance of that.

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Same place modern Lugansk/Luhansk was named Voroshilovgrad between 1935 to 1958 and 1970 to 1990.

 

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Doh! That's where it is then!

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Ok so "Lugansk/Luhansk was named Voroshilovgrad between 1935 to 1958 and 1970 to 1990" what was it called from 1959 to 1969 ?



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The City Formerly Known As Luhansk.



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