Landships II

I might have figured it out!

This picture shows "H48 Hypatia" with spuds attached.
Knocked out at the 23rd November 1917 near Fontaine-Notre-Dame.
So it is not unlikely, that it had carried fascines at the beginning of the attack?!

And by the way, there`s a colour scheme and decals for the "H45 Hyacinth" included at the 1/35 Tamiya Mk.IV Male model



I hope it would be useful for you in the future.
If there's something to add, I'm looking forward to a nice discussion!



UPDATE:

Here's the proof (also with date, gorgeous!)

-- Edited by Wollhodden on Monday 13th of November 2017 01:03:36 PM

Another source:
B28 "Black Arrow II" (also incuded scheme in Tamiya kit)

Gwyn Evans wrote:

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It is always more satisfying to find your own answers I think, but you can't actually tell from this view that Black Arrow II carried a fascine. It did in fact, but don't assume every tank that fought at Cambrai did.

Gwyn

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Wait...

Here you'll find the account of the tanks of B Battalion training with fascines for the Battle of Cambrai:
http://tank100.com/training-combat/war-diaries-1-6-november-1917/

..and here you'll get the info about the Tank numbers (and their further history):
https://sites.google.com/site/landships/home/lists/mkivtanks/world-war-one-british-mark-iv-tank-2001---2099

Well, there no photos, but usually the crews that practise the handling will also get those done in action.
Beside of the preparations took place on the Tanks which were used in training.
This might not be 100% safe, due not documented that obvious.
There was a documentation for sure, but if that had survived the last 100 years?!

Thanks you, again!

I just wonder a bit, I only saw this costruction before:


Ho did it work with the hooks?
Were there 2 single strains of chain slung aroud the fascine and fixed behind the drivers cabin?
At Tanks with that "horns" attached it seems to be secured at the front hook (as documented in other threads..)
That seems so be more stabilize (and it also could be fixed more forward?)

Are there other examples?
Was this maybe the "early Mode" and later the cribs were loaded on Tanks issued with "horns"?

thorst wrote:

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The parts shown in your last post are actually camouflage brackets, which would be used to secure a frame for camouflage nets. They have been removed when the unditching rails were introduced, as both would interfere. The fascine hooks like in the picture posted by Gwyn are the only known way to attach the fascine.

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Aah, ok I see!
I minded that those brackets were, somewere reffered as faschine hooks (to hold them in place and secure), so this was wrong.

Are there more pictures of "the real ones"? Ididn't see them befor (maybe I'd overlooked it)

But thanks for the info!

Thanks I will have a look on them!

Just the cover is great, gives a good view of the hooks.
https://www.tankograd.com/cms/website.php?id=/en/beute-tanks-vol1.htm#
(But also the other pictures in the preview are fantastic, I think I'll get a copy!)

It seems, that the opening of the hooks are on the upper side, didn't expect that!
How did that work, the chains were comming from above and would be released from the backside. So it would make more sense (to me) if the opening would be downwarts!?

-- Edited by Wollhodden on Thursday 16th of November 2017 08:47:04 PM

thorst wrote:

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Have another look at the CAD-renderings I posted here:

landships.activeboard.com/t58344032/mark-iv-3d-cad-drawings/

It is not an actual hook, it is a bent piece of metal which fits into groves cut into a railway sleeper which is in turn worked into the fascine. This only serves as an anchoring point for the fascine such that it does not shake around, the hooks themselves do not carry any loads besides preventing the fascine to slide down the rails.

It takes a while to compare the photographs to figure it out exactly, but it all makes sense.

Thorsten

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 I Think I got it, thanks according your great CAD renderings!


work in progress....