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MTorrent wrote:

Russians had 2 or 3 Medium Mk B tanks, arrived in Archangel in 1919. What I know for sure, there was one Medium Mk B used by the Bolsheviks, so this Latvian Medium Mk B might be another of those arrived in Archangel?

If so, how did it end there? There is a long way from Archangel to Latvia...



No! Others Mk B tanks comming from England to Reval direct per Baltic sea (also some Mk V) to White Russian army of general Judenitch. Later going this Mk B to Latvian troops (some Mk V to Estonian troops)

 





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Russians had 2 or 3 Medium Mk B tanks, arrived in Archangel in 1919. What I know for sure, there was one Medium Mk B used by the Bolsheviks, so this Latvian Medium Mk B might be another of those arrived in Archangel?

If so, how did it end there? There is a long way from Archangel to Latvia...





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Video-clip from Poland - armoured cars Peugeot, Garford Poutiloff and Austin drive in the city:
http://www.iirp.prv.pl/pancerne/samochody_pancerne/dowodztwo_pancerne_samochody.html
http://www.iirp.prv.pl/pancerne/samochody_pancerne/garford/dowodztwo_pancerne_samochody_garford.html


Others clips with Renault tannks and more!



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And they are more than excellent!! Thanks! I've been wanting to build a Latvian Mk B for a long time, and now I have all the info I need; great!!w00t.gif

all the best,
Michel.



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All, was I have from Latvia blankstare

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Hello Ivan,

That last picture of Kurzemnieks is brilliant!! Can't wait to see more pictures of Latvian vehicles, specially of the Medium mk B and the Fiat-Izhorsky.

all the best,
Michel.



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Next picture of latvian Garford "Kurzemnieks".

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Aleksandr wrote:

Dobryy den'/vecher/noch', Ivan!

Yes, I see, that it is Austin MkII on photo 4. You call it Skalietis, but for my opinion, it is letter G before A, isn't it? From the other side, must be ..galEetis. May be mistake?

But pay attention for weels!!! This Weels not from Austin, but same as Zemgaletis-Ford. Therefore I think, that AC was modernized in two steps - firstly the chassis was replace and new body was made in 1930ths.

Same with Sheffield - it is different weels on different photos.
May be, I am wrong.

-- Edited by Aleksandr at 00:40, 2007-04-06


Privet Alexandr!
My latvian friends say, the name of MODIFIZED Austin Mk II is Skalietis, maybe you have right, is a Zemgalietis? I dint know exactly. Also Sheffield-Sipmlex Imanta is a later mdifizired varsion with new wheels.
I have also photos from latvian Pierce-Arrow Izhorski, I have many photos from all russian armoured cars in some cauntries.
If you want with me in our mother-speek writen (my English is very bad, Russian and German perfect!), write me to: kiriletz%t-online.de

P.S. Po email ja mogu tebe skinut' vse fotki iz moego arhiva smile






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Dobryy den'/vecher/noch', Ivan!

Yes, I see, that it is Austin MkII on photo 4. You call it Skalietis, but for my opinion, it is letter G before A, isn't it? From the other side, must be ..galEetis. May be mistake?

But pay attention for weels!!! This Weels not from Austin, but same as Zemgaletis-Ford. Therefore I think, that AC was modernized in two steps - firstly the chassis was replace and new body was made in 1930ths.

Same with Sheffield - it is different weels on different photos.
May be, I am wrong.

-- Edited by Aleksandr at 00:40, 2007-04-06



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Aleksandr wrote:

I think, that AC on photo 4 is Zemgaletis - try to read the name on board. The AC use other chassis, same as Imanta on second photo (Photo 8). I attach photo from "Armored Collection" magazine (Russia): Latvian AC "Zemgaletis" on Ford chassis, which get turrets and the name from Austin AC. 1939. May be, the enhancement was made in 2 steps: change the chassis and later - the body/

Hi Alexandr,
this is NEW "Zemgaletis", built in Latvia 30-years on Ford AA Chassis. He have from old "Zemgaletis" Austin Mk II (not "Imanta", this was Sheffield-Simplex!!!) only original old turrets with mashine guns. Look at my photos, "Imanta" is Sheffield-Simplex and "Zemgaletis" (old) is english Austin Mk II (Serie 2).





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I think, that AC on photo 4 is Zemgaletis - try to read the name on board. The AC use other chassis, same as Imanta on second photo (Photo 8). I attach photo from "Armored Collection" magazine (Russia): Latvian AC "Zemgaletis" on Ford chassis, which get turrets and the name from Austin AC. 1939. May be, the enhancement was made in 2 steps: change the chassis and later - the body/



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..................... Noch ein Versuch die Bilder zu zeigen.

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Michel Boer wrote:

Hi Ivan,

Any other photo's of Latvian armour in the 'Rigas Autos' book? I'm very much interested in that subject.

all the best,
Michel.


Yes, not too many. I have also other photos, not only from this book, of ex-russian armoured cars in latvian service:
Austin Mk II "Zemgaletis"
Austin Mk II "Skalietis"
Sheffield-Simplex "Imanta" 
Izhorski FIAT "Strelnieks"
Izhorski FIAT "Staburags"

Very interessing is also ex-german unarmoured trac Daimler "Marienwagen II" in latvial service.
I have problem byl posting og pictures, it come "Error" cry






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Hi Ivan,

Any other photo's of Latvian armour in the 'Rigas Autos' book? I'm very much interested in that subject.

all the best,
Michel.



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Michel Boer wrote:

And here's an even earlier photo of 'Kurzemnieks'. This photo is on display in the Riga war museum in the Pulvertornis. As you see, it's still in the Russian green color, and carries red-white markings on the nose.

all the best,
Michel.


Thank you Michel!

I think my photo (from book "Rigas Autos") is later, from 20- years, "Kurzemnieks" with camouflage. Your picture have first colour.





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And here's an even earlier photo of 'Kurzemnieks'. This photo is on display in the Riga war museum in the Pulvertornis. As you see, it's still in the Russian green color, and carries red-white markings on the nose.

all the best,
Michel.

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Garford-Putilov "Laplesis" (Latvian), captured by Freikorps.

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Visvaldis wrote:

Zdrastvuite Ivan!
 
Hotel pointeresovatsa, netu li u Vas fotografij ili risunkov Putilov-Garford (Garford-Poutiloff) latishkoi armii,  gde on prohodil pod imenem sobstvennim - "Kurzemnieks"?

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. "Lacplesis" 1918 .


A latvian Garford-Putilov "Laplesis", captured by german and russian Freikorps-fighter. The dead body of latvian driver. The Way to Riga, 1918.



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O, ja sam nashol odnu fotografiju!



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Znechet dolzhno bit esho!
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Latvian army Garford-Poutiloff "Kurzemnieks"

-- Edited by Visvaldis at 13:49, 2007-04-02

-- Edited by Visvaldis at 14:38, 2007-04-02



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Zdrastvuite Ivan!
 
Hotel pointeresovatsa, netu li u Vas fotografij ili risunkov Putilov-Garford (Garford-Poutiloff) latishkoi armii,  gde on prohodil pod imenem sobstvennim - "Kurzemnieks"?

-- Edited by Visvaldis at 13:36, 2007-04-02



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Others pictures of Garford-Poutiloff (so wrote correct in old styl POUTILOFF!!!), built by Poutilovski ork in St. Petersburg in German service.

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You're right about the drawings! I like them to have a first point from where I can locate all the inaccuracies I can find when I look at the pics... And I always miss something!
I would be really happy to read your doc.
My e-mail lostiznaos2002XXX@yahoo.fr (removeXXX)
And it would be easier for me to use french lol.

regards
Gilles



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 Gilles,

 

dont rely too much on the plans, you need to have photos of the specific vehicle you are building, I did thunder-striker an early 1915 vehicle. Actually after it got damaged and repaired it looked nothing like the original version, so it stresses that you need photos, because often the individual cars had something specfic, like mine had stairs to the cab, and this one that you posted has some kind of lumber attached to it. Winter editions had chains wrapped around the back wheels for tracktion, I have photos of garfords and a few friekorps ones i can send them to you along with a article on the model (in french) whats your email?

 

 





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The license plate reads: "MK III 32492" (if I get the numbers right). The bonnet plate reads:

"K.d.P.

No. 109

Abt"

 



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Thanks for your help Mark!


I am quite fascinated by the garford I built a model from the armo kit, quite a lot of work to make it accurate but its very fun! If you need any information on the model please ask, Ive been meaning to get a review to Peter but I was hoping to combine it with a article on the armored car itself, a monsterous thing!
Hi eugene, I like this truck too and I recently get back to the first one I've built years ago.
I remove paint and all and will go to some minor changes, but no big surgery this time...

One problem with the Garford is the doc : the drawings you can found are usualy confuse with a lot of contradiction and pics seems to depict at last 3 main models with considerable change on the main turret, the roof and the cab.
On what point are you working on? On my second model, I've rebuilt the whole cab to extend over the roof, but i'm not especially happy with the look.

Regards
Gilles



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ah this is a new photo! But the same vehicle mine were more grainy

 

I am quite fascinated by the garford I built a model from the armo kit, quite a lot of work to make it accurate but its very fun! If you need any information on the model please ask, Ive been meaning to get a review to Peter but I was hoping to combine it with a article on the armored car itself, a monsterous thing!

 

 





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I don't know if this helps Gilles but from what I can make out the licence plate appears to be either KFZ 5*52 or KFZ 5*32 (*=unknown letter or number).



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Hello Eugène!

I try to convert the Armo putilov Garford using two pics of the Kokampf vehicle I found on the web. I think both show the Kokampf white square with the immo, and at least this one gives me the idea of some licence plate on the rear.
The point is : what are the numbers, the vehicle ko num and abt?




Do you work on this truck too? I would be very interested by your comment and I will post some pics of my model as soon as possible.

Regards
Gilles



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Hello Gilles,

 

I have some photos of Beute garford's but it may be the ones you have. The four photos I have show no plates, just propaganda and skulls very much like the ones on other Friekorps vehicles.

 

hope this helps

 

 





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I've found in this forum some pics of a Putilov Garford used by the german Fraikorps and I'would like to use this deco for my second Armo truck.
Does anybody know the vehicle number and abteilung. The plate is hardly visible on the pics.
Is seems there is also a licence plate at least on the rear of the truck.
Regards
Gilles

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