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Howdy Fellas,

Can any of you kind buggers identify this particular rig for me?



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Or this one?..........



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This isn't a 'new' Skoda pic is it?



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Looks improvised. Is that an early Polish flag on the 2nd photo?

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Treadhead wrote:

Howdy Fellas,

Can any of you kind buggers identify this particular rig for me?


This is a possibility: A Pierce-Arrow armoured car as used by the British Armoured Car Force in Russia. B.T. White says, "In one car at least the weight was reduced by the turret being removed and replaced by a 3-pdr on an open mounting with a flat shield. The gaps in the side left by removal of the turret were filled in with flat steel plates"

Some shots of the Pierce-Arrow show that the rear was the rounded shape seen in the photo. The pics themselves seems to have been taken in a military establishment - in the top one that looks like a rifle range in the background, alarmingly close to the neighbours. The houses look distinctly northern European, if not English, so maybe it's a Pierce-Arrow on its return from Russia. Can't make out the flag in the second pic. I'm going to tinker with the photo, but it might be the White Ensign.

Incidentally, Treaders, in England we don't refer to each other constantly as "buggers". We do use the expression sometimes, but not as often as American sitcoms would have you believe.

P.S. Have mucked about with the image. I thought the dark area of the flag might be the Union Flag part of the White Ensign, but it looks like an optical illusion. The quality of the photo isn't good enough to identify it. At least, I can't. Where did you find the pic, Treaders?


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James H wrote:

Treadhead wrote:

Howdy Fellas,

Can any of you kind buggers identify this particular rig for me?


This is a possibility: A Pierce-Arrow armoured car as used by the British Armoured Car Force in Russia. B.T. White says, "In one car at least the weight was reduced by the turret being removed and replaced by a 3-pdr on an open mounting with a flat shield. The gaps in the side left by removal of the turret were filled in with flat steel plates"

Some shots of the Pierce-Arrow show that the rear was the rounded shape seen in the photo. The pics themselves seems to have been taken in a military establishment - in the top one that looks like a rifle range in the background, alarmingly close to the neighbours. The houses look distinctly northern European, if not English, so maybe it's a Pierce-Arrow on its return from Russia. Can't make out the flag in the second pic. I'm going to tinker with the photo, but it might be the White Ensign.

Incidentally, Treaders, in England we don't refer to each other constantly as "buggers". We do use the expression sometimes, but not as often as American sitcoms would have you believe.



 



Plausible - except that the turret still appears to be in place

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I'm fairly certain that it's the estonian improvised armoured car "Estonia", built in 1918 and used against russian forces in 1919.

-- Edited by Kaiser at 13:26, 2007-02-08

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Game, set, and match to Kaiser. That's obviously the fellow. I was sniffing round in that area myself but didn't come across that pic. I'd got as far as Latvian ACs of the War of Independence, and they did have 2 Pierce-Arrows, amongst a lot of other stuff.

What do you know about the history of the Estonian vehicle? The reason I ask is that when you copy Treadhead's photo, the filename is satoonela_aec_hm. Is that just a coincidence or does it mean that it's an AEC chassis? It certainly looks like one - the rear wheels are very like those of the B-Type Bus and there's a resemblance to the British 1915 AEC Armoured Cars.

It seems the Estonians had ten of them, many, if not all, with names taken from Estonian mythology. Here's a pic of one from the Florida State University site. You can see the name Kalewipoeg, a good and brave giant. Tread's top pic is the same vehicle from the rear. Toonela was the Land of the Dead, so presumably that's the vehicle in the second photo. Okay, I did have to look that up.

 
-- Edited by James H at 13:41, 2007-02-08

-- Edited by James H at 13:58, 2007-02-08

-- Edited by James H at 14:37, 2007-02-08

-- Edited by James H at 15:07, 2007-02-08

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It was many years ago that I read about the estonian armoured cars during the war of independence. It was on a swedish site, I think. I'll try to find it and let you know.

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Are these Estonian too?





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Good heavens. Well, the bottom one is a Lancia, and it's outside a trattoria, so I wouldn't have thought so.

The stuff in the top one looks as if it belonged to Al Capone.

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The top one is Republican Spanish Civil War

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Thx....

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Centurion wrote:

The top one is Republican Spanish Civil War





Are you sure of identification?
They don't "sound" spanish to me. I've seen this pic on the web before and if I remember it was linked with Techoslovakia.

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lostiznaos seems to be right on this one. Florida State Uni has got these down as Czech from the 20's. It seems they also had some Lancia A/Cs at the same time, so those Italian looking uniforms outside the trattoria might be Czech.

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There was years ago a very nice web page about the baltic states :
Baltic AFV's & Armored Trains 1918-1945

But the link doesn't work... It is now closed or moved, and I cannot find it anymore.
If somebody knows anything about?
regards
Gilles

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Yep, that was indeed a brilliant site, made by Thorleiff Ohlsen from Sweden. I was lucky enough to have downloaded some of his info at the time. There hasn't been any website or book since that time, covering all the Baltic States in that period.
There are only a few books on the subject, and these are hard or impossible to find. Just after the Baltic independence of 1991, the book "Latvijas Armijas" appeared in Riga which has some photo's of Latvian MK-V's and Fiat 3000's. In Lithuania, in the same period, a small book was published on the takeover of Vilnius by the Lithuanians after the Soviets conquered it on the Poles in 1939 (they handed the city over to the Lithuanians, only after extensive systematical looting), entitled "Vilniaus - Istorijos Atkarpa" by Regina Zepkaite. The only vehicles shown on the few photo's are Vickers Carden Lloyd light tanks.
A more interesting book was written on the Estonian AFV's, although fully in Estonian. I've attached a scan of the book itself. The ISBN nr is 9985-60-692-2, published by Tammiskilp in Tallinn in 1999. The photographic info is great; from the improvised AC's of 1918/19, to the captured Russian AC's, to the Mark V's and Renault FT-17s and the purchased British Arsenal-Grossleys and Polish TKS tankettes. Truly recommended!

all the best,
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On EBAY, THE CARD IFS FOR SALE AND CLAIMS IT SHOWS cZECH VEHICLES....



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The bloke on the stamp looks like Tomas Masaryk, President from 1918 to 35, so that makes sense.

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