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Hi there,
I got a question about the Daimler Marienfelde ALZ 13/Marienwagen II. There was a discussion between Centurion and Tim R in April 22, last year.Tim R wrote:

The Daimler chassis was found incapable of carrying the heavy armor. The remaining chassis were converted into Anti-Aircraft and Antitank gun platforms. Some were also converted into half-track personnel and supply carriers ( Daimler Marienfielde ALZ 13)

But is the last sentence right? On the Reviresco-Side is written the following:

The Daimler Marienwagon II was a 1/2 tracked version of the Daimler Marienfelde ALZ 13 one of the most common German Army Trucks during the Great War. Production began in 1917. Despite the difficulty in steering the vehicle, the 1/2 track configuration markedly increased its cross country mobility. Several of these units survived the war and were used by the German Army during the twenties and thirties.

Is this vehicle also called Marienwagen II? I thought only this clumsy vehicle (hist panzerwaffe 2.jpg) carry this name. Did anyone got further information of that? How many of this converted ALZ 13 were circa produced? And can they be called really "most common"? Should'nt be there somewhere a surving one in a museum? Did anyone got some pictures? I have found this one in the forum, but it is the only and first one I ever have seen.
Daimler-MarienfeldeMarienwagenII192.jpg


By the way I send a picture of this surviving Marienwagen II, in use by the Freikorps.
marienwagen.jpg

-- Edited by Paul at 17:34, 2007-06-04

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Hello Paul

  The information I provided is correct, The Marienwagen II was designed around the Daimler Marienfelde ALZ 13.  
  I have attached a drawing from the Daimler archive, sent to me by a friend, I am in the process of doing research for an upcoming article, I have also done some drawings depicting the various Marienwagens, If you are interested, and I can email them to you.
By the way, the picture of the two Marienwagens you have provided is being used by Estonians.
And as far as I have been able to discover, only a handful made it to the beginning of WW2, and were all destroyed.
All the Best
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A fascinating subject! I look forward to see an article on this rare bird...
Best regards, Eduardowink

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Hi Eduardo,

if you find any articles, please publish them here. Informations 'bout this "rare bird" are very rare. I searched for a long time, for example on the Daimler webside, but there are no articles. I guess, Daimler don't want to be associated with warmachines anymore. (For example Daimler DZVR seems to have never existed!)

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 Hi, PAUL,
 I am under the same impresion about Daimler war machine records,since I have been diving for other wartime Daimler products( WW1 & WW2) and couldn´t find many info.
 Indeed, this rara avis is a fine subject to be modeled.
Hope this fine site will provide something in the future.
All the best, EDUARDO

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I tried putting in enquiries re the LKII. Daimler's approach seems to be wars - what wars? - a bit like one American comedian's character Werner Von White who would say things like "well I didn't know who the the little guy with the moustache was but then I hadn't been reading the papers lately" or , dare I say it "no such thing as the Mafia".

Incidently many years ago I was sent over to Vienna to to a deal with a local IT supplier. The guy I was talking with was somewhat older than me and spoke perfect idiomatic English - with a Canadian accent. When I asked him where he had learnt such good English  his reply was " I had to go to Canada for a few years during the last minor misunderstanding" - I think that maybe Daimler are ignoring the previous minor misunderstanding.

-- Edited by Centurion at 00:35, 2007-06-08

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Oh yes, Centurion, I know what you mean. But that's a mainly German problem. Noone has helped the man with the mustache, noone has produced some weapons or other war supporting stuff.
For example: a big company in my hometown has made since decades a great part of his money with telescopic sights. Another big concern, next door, famous for their high quality glass was also always involved in producing weapons. Of course this had effects for this city in WW2. Only a few medieval houses, you can count on one habd, are left after bombing from the allies. Fortunatly round this town are mountains, in wich a clever factory can dig shellproofed workshops and repositories.
Who's to blame? Of course: the man with the mustache! Companies are always innocent. And after all is over, we keep silent and go on like before and forget about yesterdays "minor misunderstandings".

Regards to Heiligendamm.

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  I agree whith You all in every word.
 
 

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  A last minute finding,
  see http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Katzchen.htm there is a mention on the halftracked marienwagen,a pair of nice close up pics from the original marienwagen and the state that the turret from the half track is the same of the...Earhardt armored car. And, shame on me becasue I have recently scratchbuilt one( you can see the turret in this site gallery).Ah,  indeed the turret seems familiar to me...ashamed
All the best, EDUARDO

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The top foto with two "Marienwagen" is from Latvian army, early 20 years.

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The picture of the destroyed 'Kätchen' is in fact the prototype Panther Ausf. F, used as an turretless APC at the end of the war. You can see this by looking at the interleaving roadwheels.

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I uploaded an unfortunately very small and very short video of the Marienwagen II in Freikorps service (allegedly this footage was taken during the Kapp Putsch in 1920)



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Kapp-Putsch is correct. The crew of this vehicle fired on the crowd of spectators near the Brandenburger Tor.

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New photos of Daimler Marienwagen II send me my friend from Latvia.

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Very kind of You to share such remarkable images of the vehicule. Indeed I am buildin a scratchbuilt model of this truck, so I greatly appreciate the pictures.
Thank you Ivan!
Eduardosmile

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how many of these half tracks were used by the germans during the war?

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May be Paul, Centurion, Tim; MZ or IVAN are better preapred for giving a response..., couldn´t find a record of that.
Edsmile 

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