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Perhaps the final piece of the jigsaw.

In an earlier thread, I quoted A.J. Smithers as saying two slightly conflicting things about the choice of the Madsen for the Mk I.
 
First he said that it was tested alongside the Hotchkiss, etc., at the trials of Mother in December 1915, but later, when writing about the issuing of contracts in February 1916, he says, "The specifications, it will be remembered, spoke of Madsen guns."

Well, I've found this in A Peripheral Weapon?: Major Ernest Swinton sent a memorandum to Sir John French which the latter forwarded to the War Office on 22nd June, 1915. The memo was entitled, "The Necessity for Machine Gun Destroyers."

In it, Swinton described a vehicle which he calculated would weigh 16 tons fully laden, armed with a "2-pdr quick-firing Maxim and six Madsen rifles" (which is what the Madsen mg was often called).

On August 24th, 1915, even before Little Willie had been trialed, plans were afoot for what would become Mother. That day, Tritton sent a sketch of the rhomboid machine to d'Eyncourt, who approved it, but on the 26th Stern visited Tritton at Lincoln with "a specification" drawn up by Swinton. That's all that Smithers says, but it's reasonable to assume that Swinton wouldn't have changed his spec as regards the Madsen. Hence its inclusion in the trials in December, and its rejection for reasons we already know.

Does this sound fair?

-- Edited by James H at 22:44, 2007-08-27

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The final, final piece. For the time being. This pic again shows Belgian Carabinier Cyclists with Madsens. On the ground is what appears to be the carrying-case for the spare barrel, and the bloke on the right seems to be posing as if in the act of offering up the spare.

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Picks of Madsen 7.62mm from Prague

 

Russian pattern

 

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Ivstefano,
Do you have any detail on the Russian use of the Madsen?
Was it only a cavalry weapon or also an infantry weapon?


Thansk,
Chris

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Chris,

According to the showcase where the Madsen was exhibited it is stated that it was used by Czech Legion. There were the original picks of infantryman

It Madsen was designed only for cavalry? I have no idea Russian revolution lasted long enough to make confusion on the types and purpose of their intended use

It could be that the shipments from Denmark continued well after the end of WW1 as well (like some of the US or Japanese guns I pictured)

Sorry, but I have no answer to your question,

 

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Looks like Pancho Villa was also using them.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=936815563&context=set-72157601074587181&size=o

The caption says they were captured, or maybe just the caisson was captured, and the machineguns are for cavalry use.

And here's a pic I took of a machinegun displayed in the museum in Chihuahua. It looks similar, but the signs said it was made in Mexico, and I think it says 1936 on it.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=937659274&context=set-72157601074587181&size=o




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huhncc wrote:

Do you have any detail on the Russian use of the Madsen?
Was it only a cavalry weapon or also an infantry weapon?


Chris - info on Russia here: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/20th_century_warfare/id73.htm



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The Madsen has finally been retired from service:

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/20080407.aspx

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Blimey. That's not a bad innings.

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