Landships II

Why aye, lad! Schneider-Canet is a name I've encountered a fair bit, as there were quite a few big Schneider-Canet naval guns built for export (to Spain and Japan), as well as some coastal defence weapons.

Hi James, The Matsushima Class of protected cruisers built for japan had guns made by Schnieder of Creusot these were designed by M. Canet , hence schnieder-Canet, moreoften as not referred to as Canet guns... they fought at the battle of the yalu against the chinese but only fired 2 rounds during the whole action, for a blow by blow account see "The Wars of the Nineties"..

The wars of the nineties

Canet guns

I think this is what roger is referring to...

Cheers

-- Edited by Ironsides at 21:18, 2008-05-02

28juni14 wrote:

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I would ask, Jim,  where is the musee pictured ?

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Believe it or not, in The Azores. http://museus.azores.gov.pt/exposicoes/ver.aspx?id=40

It seems there were quite a few S-C field gun models in the early C20th. Portugal apparently bought 300 of the 1904, and they were also sold to Serbia and Bulgaria, some being captured by the Ottomans in the balkan Wars. According to American reports, the British in South Africa were seriously embarrassed by the superiority of this company's guns in Boer hands at the turn of the century.

It's claimed that this model was used in The War. I wonder if the Portuguese brought any to the Western Front or if they only used artillery supplied by the Allies. There's a pic on the Forum somewhere of P troops manning AA guns - 75s, I think.

-- Edited by James H at 01:40, 2008-05-03

In 1904 a Portuguese artillery committee (col. José Mathias Nunes, Lt.col. José Silvestre de Andrade, cpt. Alberto Carlos de Silveira, cpt. José Nunes Gonçalves and lt. José Francisco Nico) in order to choose the QF field gun for the army tested these quick-firing guns:
7,5cm Ehrardt-Kanone c/1903
7.5cm Vickers QF gun
7,5cm Kruppsche Feldkanone L/30
canon de 75mm Schneider-Canet mle. 1903 P.C.
canon de 75mm Schneider-Canet ml. 1903 P.D.
The difference between the two Schneider guns is that the P.C. model was not fitted for independent line of sight, while the P.D. was fitted for independent line of sight. P means simply "puissant" - powerfull.
After the tests, that interested expecially the Krupp and the Schneider guns, the Schneider P.D. was choosen and 144 were ordered.

 

Gun model :		Schneider-Canet 75mm QF M. 1904
Calibre :		75mm L/31.4
Weight of the barrel :		340 kg
Weight of breech-block :		12.2 kg
Weight of the carriage :		740 kg
Weight in action :		1080 kg
Weight of the limber :		750 kg
Weight in marching order :		1830 kg
Weight of ammunition wagon :		1852 kg
Barrel lenght :		2.350 m
Lenght of  rifling :		1.966 m (26.2 calibres)
Rifling :		uniform twist of 1 in 30 calibres
Number of barrel grooves :		24
Height of line of fire :		955 mm
Shield thickness :		5 mm
Cartridge	shelled :	8.198 kg
	charge :	0.58 kg of Rottweil smokeless powder
Shell	weight :	6.5 kg - bursting charge: 0.68 kg of Schneiderite
	fuze :	percussion
	max. range :	6000 m (afterwards increased to 8000 m )
Shrapnel	weight :	6.5 kg - bursting charge: 80 g of black powder294 bullets x 10 g x 13 mm
	fuze :	time and percussion - weight : 284 g
	max. range :	5500 m with time fuze
Muzzle velocity :		500 m/s
Rate of fire :		15 / 20 rounds
Height of the line of sight :		1126 mm
Elevation :		+ 16° / - 5°
Traversing angle :		6°
Recoil :		1.27 m
Height of weehls :		1.33 m
Track :		1.45 m
Transport :		drawn by six horses
Ammunition :		gun limber - 38 shells, wagon limber - 38 shells, wagon body - 72 shells12 ammunition wagons for every battery
Remarks :		Quick firing field gun, recoil system with hydraulic buffer and springs, swinging block breech mechanism,traverse on axle. It was equipped with collimator with aiming circle and panorama sight. All graduations were in thousandths, and the battery telescope had a graticule showing thousandths of range. It was fitted for an indipendent line of sight.

 

The Portuguse gun in the picture at the start of this thread is a horse artillery piece. The field gun lacked the additional crew seats attached to the gun shield.

The Bulgarians used M1904's, like the Portuguse (& Spanish?)

The Serbs used M1906 & M1906bis (both with a subdesignation of PD) - this is the commercial(?) designation. I think the Romanians also used the M1906. Both Serbia & Romania referred to the Gun as the M1907 (date of intriduction I believe). I have seen a reference to this gun as the M1914.  

There is a different shape to the barrel forward of the gun shield, different shape & length regards the recuperator & A different arrangement (often) of the gun shield. The M1904 has a recuperator that runs the full forward length of the barrel while the M1906 does not & the M1906 has the muzzle locking lugs for max recioll like the the French M1897 75mm though the M1906's barrel is shorter.

The Schnieder 75mm M1912 is similar to both the the 1904 & the 1906 but with a slightly different barrel shape.

I don't have any pics on file for the M1912 but have attached pics of the M1906/07 & a comparitive of the M1904 Bulgarian