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I have been researching this vehicle for some years now and am still in need of a good rear view to complete a drawing.A side view drg.is attached and also the  only rear view I have which is not very clear.Any help would be greatly appreciated from the Landships fraternity.

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Not quite the same version, and - as usual - people obscure the most interesting details.

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Another one, at least less people.

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Interesting MZ's photo has completely different wheels from the drawing. The drawing shows rear wheels with retractable spades (or spuds) arround the wheel rim controlled by those curved spokes inside the wheel. Versions of this type of wheel were fitted to a number of makes of heavy tractor. The rear wheels in MZ's photo clearly have no such spuds.

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It would seem that the "Lastenverteilgerät" variant had even sized wheels front and rear, while the tractor variant had larger rear wheels - of which at least two different types existed, which also could be found on Dürkopps and Deutzes.

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If you mean the one used for ammunition haulage  the photo I have shows it with the same large rear wheels with retractable spuds as the tractor variant. Vanderveen states that the tractor had a same sized wheels version

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The wheel with the retractable spuds was called "Pöhl-Rad" after the Pöhl Company, which also produced the 4 wheel Pöhl artillery tractor.
The "Lastenverteilgerät" is the construction seen in my first picture, where the gun isn't drawn but hangs in a swing supported by tractor and trailer. It would seem that the initial Lastenverteiler tractor did not have the large rear wheels, although there are also pictures that show ones with large wheels later in the war.

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Ken,  Here's the best rear-view pic I have of the beast.  It certainly isn't the clearest, but I hope you can use it.

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No rear view but two Bussings (tractor and ammo tractor and by way of comparison  a Durkopp and a rather battered Deutz

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Building on MadZep's comments above regarding retractable spuds,  here's a pic I found on eBay some days ago.  It is a Pöhl motorised plow.  This is the  German agricultural company Zep refers to.

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Thanks to you all for the marvellous response to my enquiry re.the Bussing tractor.I feel that I now have enough evidence to proceed with a drawing which could show an alternate set of wheels and possibly a side view of the ammo carrying version.During my trawling through many websites I found the attached pics.of the Bussing,the Lanz and Podeus tractors which may interest fellow tractor enthusiasts.A fascinating subject and a much neglected one.Again my thanks to you all.

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The 80 HP Pöhl agricultural Schlepper, also used as tractor for German heavy guns. Note square openings for spuds visible in rear picture. Vehicle was also equiped with winch.

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28juni14 wrote:

Building on MadZep's comments above regarding retractable spuds,  here's a pic I found on eBay some days ago. 


Except I think that those spuds are not retractable. There appear to have been two types of wheel with retractable spuds, type 1 with large square openings  for the spuds and type 2 with much smaller openings (and presumably smaller spuds). Both have the internal curved spoke arrangement that avtuates the spuds. The difference can be seen by comparing some of the Bussing photos in the previous threads with the Durkopp one I posted. I suspect that the Deutz wheel was similar.

The British army had trialed a steam traction engine with retractable spuds about forty years previously. The spudded wheels proved sucessful on soft going but unsatisfactory when the ground was harder. Possibly some of the German heavy tractors had different sets of wheels for road work and for off road situations?



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Gentleman

  Here are a few more photos of Zugmachinen. I have included a few rare vehicles, for the wheel discussion.

Ken, I could only find one rear photo of the Bussing in my menagerie of photos, but I will keep looking.

All the Best

Tim R



Sorry, just noticed I submitted a photo Centurion already postedweirdface


Added another.........wink
-- Edited by Tim R at 20:12, 2008-07-06

-- Edited by Tim R at 20:13, 2008-07-06

-- Edited by Tim R at 00:01, 2008-07-07

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Ken,  I look forward to seeing that completed drawing !

For the benefit of those who may not know, the 1917 Artillery Motorization Program included the following vehicle types by category:

ARTL. KR. SCHL. 80PS              Ordered                 Delivered
     Benz                                      105                        105
     Bussing                                  120                        109
     Durkopp                                 175                          91
     Pohl                                         84                          83

ARTL. KR. ZGM.     80PS                    
     Bothe                                       72                         16

ARTL. KR. ZGM.   100PS
     Kr. Daimler                             1000                       537
     Deutz                                        48                         40
     Hazet                                         30                        14
     Komnick                                     10                          1
     Lanz                                         210                        97
     Podeus                                       30                        20
    
ARTL. MUN. KR.D.
     Horch                                        200                      154
     Bussing                                     180                      180

ARTL. KR. PROTZE 
     Benz                                          100
     Durkopp                                        3
     Horch                                            3
     Lanz                                              3
     Maqirus                                          3 
     Juperster-Werke                            10
     Nag                                                3

Obviously the KD1 was the vehicle of primary importance, but Daimler production could not timely fulfill army needs, hence the proliferation of  orders to other firms for substitute vehicles.

Of further interest is the Kraftprotzen.    These were invisioned to provide mobility to 25% of divisional field pieces.   I think the Benz version was discussed in an earlier tread by Tim.

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The "Kraftzugmaschine" was to tow spring mounted guns by means of a cushioned coupler.
The "Kraftzugschlepper" was designed to move  unsprung older guns by means of a "Lastenverteilergerät"  (load distrubition  apparatus).
The "Kraftprotze" was foreseen to tow guns without limber.

KD1 was originally developed for the new 15cm K16 and the 8,8 cm and 10,5 cm Flak trailers, but soon proved to be jacks of all trades.

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Hi all,

I found on Ebay a few other photos of Büssing tractor.

I think that the gun that appears in the third picture could be a 10cm K14.
Can anyone confirm this?


Regards Sturm78.

-- Edited by Sturm78 on Friday 24th of April 2009 11:12:00 AM

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Hi all,

Other two images of Büssing tractors from Ebay:

Regards Sturm78.

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Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. The photo do not show a Bussing tractor (I think a Podeus tractor with a load of a 42cm german howitzer Big Bertha) but it is a interesting photo:

Regards Sturm78 

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Hi Sturm78

Would it be possible to post the photo of the Podeus again, but without the red text?

Many thanks

David

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Sorry, dgwp. I did not buy the image from Ebay. I only recorded it in my hard disc.

Sturm78

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Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay: Bussing tractor with 15cm Kanone in tow

Regards Sturm78

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Hi all,

Another images of german tractors:  Büssing tractors towing artillery (15cm sFH02, I think) and Podeus tractors

Images from Ebay
Regards Sturm78

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Hi all,

More images of german WW1 tractors from Ebay:


Regards Sturm78

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Hi all,

A Büssing tractor:

Image from Ebay
Sturm78



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Hi all,

An image from Ebay:

Regards Sturm78

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Hi all,

Another image from Ebay. I can not identify the tractor:

 

Sturm78



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Nice find

In your last post is a Podeus and this one is a Duerkopp tractor.

Cheers, Peter



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Hi all,

 

An image from Ebay: Lanz tractor

 

Sturm78



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I like this thread. Maybe good place to ask it here: what type is this one?

 

Greatz

 



-- Edited by Sniper Snoop on Sunday 26th of May 2013 11:29:21 AM

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Hi all,

 

An image from EBay. Can somebody identify this tractor?

 

Sturm78



-- Edited by Sturm78 on Saturday 22nd of March 2014 11:21:37 PM

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I think it's a Podeus 80hp tractor - used by the German Army to tow the heavy siege gun (like the 42cm M-Gerät) trailers.

Regards,

Charlie



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