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Is it a Ehrhardt armored car captured by Japanese? No! It's a Japanese own design!
http://www.horae.dti.ne.jp/~fuwe1a/images/tank/plac01.jpg
Japanese army used this armored car in "Siberian Intervention"(1918-1922). It was built on a 3-ton truck chassis. Japanese called it a "light armored car"(). It had a round rotating turret and it was armed with a HMG. Two were buit and one of them took part in the fight.
Japanese found a "Armored Car Squad" during the "Siberian Intervention". It also used another two kinds of armored cars:
http://www.horae.dti.ne.jp/~fuwe1a/images/tank/sac.jpg
This is a armored car built on a car chassis. It also had a round rotating turret and armed with a machine gun. It also used by the "Armored Car Squad".
http://www.horae.dti.ne.jp/~fuwe1a/images/tank/phac01.jpg
This is another kind of armored car used by the "Armored Car Squad" during the "Siberian Intervention". It was called a "Heavy Armored Car"() in Japan. Two took part in the fight. They were built on two different 4-ton truck chassis(called a "Type C truck"() and a "Type B truck"() in Japan, don't know what kind of trucks are they). They had 4mm thick armor.
Japanese is very similar to Chinese,so I can read Japanese sources without difficuities.


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Hello kkfj1

     Thanks so much for posting this.
         It seems like this time in history, and these countries are all but ignored.

           I find them very very interesting....

Again Thanks...

All the Best
Tim R.

P.S. Do you have any information on Improvised Chinese Armored Cars, and Armored Trains....?

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First picture it is japanese armoured car "Sumida", not Ehrhardt!!!

Second picture it is captured russian armoured car on a american chassis of FIAT, built in Vladivostok by white-russians 1918/19. I have many pictures with this cars (two version) Some people say, itis Armstrong-Whitwort. No! It is later russian FIAT.

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Tim R wrote:

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P.S. Do you have any information on Improvised Chinese Armored Cars, and Armored Trains....?



 I began to reseach on this subject three years ago. But I don't think Chinese army used any armored vehicles in WWI. But Chinese army used French FT-17 tanks and many armored trains during the Chinese Civil War in 1920s. At that time, Zhang Zuolin's army had a few FT-17 tanks, many other armys were afraid of these new weapons. I have the details of the "White Russian Armored Train" used by Zhang Zongchang's army during the Chinese Civil War. They were opreated by the white Russians who went to China after Russian Revolution. You can see their photos on the Russian site www.tankmuseums.ru. Another famous armored train used in Chinese Civil war is "Zhong Shan", it was named after the first president of Republic of China. Some sources say this armored train was built in Russia. Now I have 2 photos of the armored train "Zhong Shan". I will post these photos and the details of the "White Russian Armored Train" used by Zhang Zongchang's army , if you want to see them.

All these armored trains were very good at that time. They were not improvised. 



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kkfj1

  Hello, and thank you for the information. I would very much like to see the information and photos you spoke of.("White Russian Armored Train" used by Zhang Zongchang's army)

Also do you have any photo's showing uniforms and equipment used during the Civil War, as well as any photo's of the FT-17's you mentioned.


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Here are some photos of the Chinese army in the Chinese Civil War in 1920s:
http://img.bbs.163.com:88/mil/kz/kzsz007/918x692_429080.jpg
This photo was probably taken by a forgiener. Note the word "Chinese army" on it.
http://a4.att.hoodong.com/43/54/01300000027077120047547649025.jpg
Another photo. Note the Chinese traditional "Douli" (a large bamboo hat) on their backs.
http://lov.vac.gov.tw/System/Photo/Files/Img/65.jpg
Sun Chuanfang's armored train. (I only know the link. There is something wrong with my computer so actully I can't see the photo. If you can see the photo, would you please to post it here? Thanks!)
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2006_4_26_94844_1894844.jpg
The officer uniform of the Chinese army in 1920s. Note the 5-colour star on the cap. The five colours stand for five main peoples in China.
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2006_4_26_94880_1894880.jpg
The soldier uniform of the Chinese army in 1920s.
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2006_4_26_94974_1894974.jpg
Feng Yuxiang's army in 1920s.
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2006_4_26_94997_1894997.jpg
Zhang Zuolin's army in 1920s.
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2006_4_26_95040_1895040.jpg
Sun Chuanfans's army in 1920s. Note their spcial caps.
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2006_4_26_95043_1895043.jpg
Zhang Zongchang's army in 1920s.
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2006_4_26_95053_1895053.jpg
Wu Peifu's army in 1920s.
http://www.wst.net.cn/history/11.1/2322_110112.jpg
Another photo of the Chinese army in 1920s.
I only have 2 photos of Chinese FT-17 and one of them was taken during WWII.
I need some time to translat the Chinese article about Zhang Zongchang's "White Russian Armored Train" into English and copy the photo of the armored train "Zhong Shan" from my books. Sorry.smile.gif

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kkfj1

   Not a problem, I will look forward to it...
                            I really appreciate what you have already provided.

Unfortunately  all of the photo's with the prefix  http://pic.tiexue.net/ will not open. the photo below is what appears.


   I have a varied interest in this period and the culture of the Chinese.  Medieval China being a major intrest..

   All the Best
   Tim R.

-- Edited by Tim R at 19:37, 2008-08-27

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Hi Tim,  No problem here all the pictures open up fine.....

Some interesting pictures there many thanks to kkfj1 for posting...

Cheers

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Hello Ironsides

 

   Unfortunately I have still having problems seeing the photos,evileye it may be my computer, I am not sure. Can you copy them and attach them for me?, I would appreciate it..

 

All the Best

Tim R. 



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Must be some setting on your machine probably in your browser - I too have no problem opening them.

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Hi Tim, Heres the pics.. think I got them all....If you "save as" you will see the picture description.....

Cheerssmile

-- Edited by Ironsides at 01:25, 2008-08-29

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