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James H


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Came across these of a Holt runner. Assumed the prairie in the background was USA, but it turns out to be Lincolnshire. I'll try to find out whose it is.

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The assortment of baseball caps also gives it an American look.

On the Bovington's Tank Museum pages, in some sort of scrap book section, or news section, they mention that they encountered a Holt at some sort of fair. I am sure it was not this one, though, unless this one has been much restored in the last year.

That's not very specific, I know, but I can't find the article as they have 'improved' their site!

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Baseball caps . . .

I know. Cultural erosion. Anyway, try this: http://www.knight-ltd.co.uk/lcww.htm Unfortunately, the email link doesn't seem to work.

I also came across an American site (which I'm trying to find again) devoted to machines of a simliar vintage, and there are a couple of what look like the 5 and 10-ton Artillery Tractors, presumably demobbed for agricultural use.

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=63528&p=3&topicID=14365980

Here we are: http://www.steel-wheels.net/holt.html Some fine examples. Scroll well down for the Artillery Tractors.

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interesting...

the track units on this 2 1/2 ton Holt

https://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i8/dgwparfitt/images2/Holt2halfTonMil_BSOT08.jpg

look like a direct copy of the Renault FT's track units

http://www.landships.freeservers.com/jpegs/FT17KE1.JPG

guess there's no point to re-inventing the wheel

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I didn't notice that. That is most interesting, and far too much of a coincidence. Holt obviously got to see a Renault at some point, but when, where, and how?

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Probably when planning for the production of the 6 ton tank (a Renault clone) - I believe that Holt were one of the sub contractors.

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This is getting a bit entwined with the 75mm-on-tracks item, and also a bit murky. Crismon has a couple more pics of the 2.5 ton, and it is quite clearly a Renault rip-off. He makes no reference to this similarity, saying merely that it  was "designed late in World War I" and "developed by Holt and Rock Island Arsenal." Total produced: 3,786, including 87 by the Federal Motor Truck Company of Detroit.

In the shambles that was America's attempt to produce the 6-Ton, Lt. Elgin Braine arrived in the USA with the plans of the FT17 in March 1918, and the first US version was produced in the October. Amongst the three main contractors were the Maxwell Motor Company and the C.L. Best Co., both of Dayton, Ohio. And Holt happens to produce an almost identical chassis for the 2.5 ton.

The whole episode of the 6-Ton is fishy, anyway. Is this another bit of dodgy dealing?
 


The whole episode was extremely suspicious

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Hi All, I think these are intertwined in some fashion although this may be because the original track design rests with holt......
To me at least the renault track design looks like a reworking of the original holt argricultural system although this might not be obvious, although the renault running gear is greatly modified I dont think anyone would argue which came first...

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Best and Holt who were to merge worked very closely at this time to the extent of swapping information and even designers.

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Hi All heres a few links for Holts that I found interesting.......

http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cacunithistories/Vehicles%20of%20the%20AEF.html

http://www.historicroadways.co.uk/s-007.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHSrZd67KRY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVZWU5ZnWQ

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