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CJ


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Anyone have any info on German searchlights during the war? Maybe model numbers for those in the following photos?

cpe_searchlight_01.jpg
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Greetings!
 it seems that I have finally meet a comrade also interested in Searchlight hardware!
please see http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=63528&p=3&topicID=20173573
in this forum. I worked based in a pre-ww1 searchlight cart photographed by mr. Eric Hagen as it appears in "The ww1 modelling page" photo gallery.
Such a valuable images You have provided, thanks You a lot for share this information. I am a searchlight fan and can offer some items of ww2 harware also.
If You are interested in more images I can update some this week end.
All the best, EDUARDOsmile

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CJ


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Thats a lovely model, but Im wondering about model numbers, and how many of each type of each light would be used in the searchlight section that accompanied each corps at the start of the war? If you had any info Id be extremely thankful. Keep up the modelling work!

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there is a nice Photo of a searchlight-wagon on ebay right now:



http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-seltener-Deut-Scheinwerfer-Wagen-im-1-WK_W0QQitemZ250331210181QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item250331210181&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

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CJ - excellent photos, many thanks. What is the light in the first photo used for? It seems ill-adapted for tracking an aircraft.

John.

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        "It seems ill-adapted for tracking an aircraft"

The use of Military Searchlights pre date that of aircraft by some years its probarbly the case that these are intended primarily for battlefield use against land targets with anti aircraft being secondary if considered at all.........

heres a stereograph of a smaller french trench searchlight...

http://www.geh.org/fm/st08/htmlsrc/m197601470109_ful.html#topofimage

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In the near decades before the war,  German technicalogical manufacturing  enjoyed a very lucrative commercial business in Europe, and around the world.   Such is the case with the "search light" wagons pictured. ( Italy, for example acquired dozens of them , and they were used time and again while fighting the Austrians. )
The second and third photos above depict the 60cm Scheinwerfer as marketed by the firm of Seimens-Halske. ( yes, the same Seimens AG of today which is the world's largest electronic/engineering company.  If you wear a quality hearing aide, for example,  chances are it's a Seimens. )  
You will note the light is telescopic.   The heavy protze( limber ) carried the generator, and trailed connecting wires to the companion wagon to power the instrument.    
Four of these vehicles were part of every German Korp enventory when the war started.    And no,  the original intent was not for tracking aircraft at night.  Rather, their role was to bathe nocturnal targets with stark elumination for direct-fire weapon systems.

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These appear to be those searchlights at night - on exercises I would assume. Cetainly not in an AA role

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28juni14 wrote:

In the near decades before the war,  German technicalogical manufacturing  enjoyed a very lucrative commercial business in Europe, and around the world.   Such is the case with the "search light" wagons pictured. ( Italy, for example acquired dozens of them , and they were used time and again while fighting the Austrians. )
The second and third photos above depict the 60cm Scheinwerfer as marketed by the firm of Seimens-Halske. ( yes, the same Seimens AG of today which is the world's largest electronic/engineering company.  If you wear a quality hearing aide, for example,  chances are it's a Seimens. )  
You will note the light is telescopic.   The heavy protze( limber ) carried the generator, and trailed connecting wires to the companion wagon to power the instrument.    
Four of these vehicles were part of every German Korp enventory when the war started.    And no,  the original intent was not for tracking aircraft at night.  Rather, their role was to bathe nocturnal targets with stark elumination for direct-fire weapon systems.

-- Edited by 28juni14 at 15:32, 2008-11-29


exactly what I was looking for, thanks. How many of the 60cm lights were attached to each Korps? 

thanks
CJ

 



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There were 4 per army corps when Germany went to war.  In addition to the searchlight batterie,  a Sprechenwagen zug ( telephone wagon ) detachment usually accompanied them.  Later, when RFC night raids became particularly annoying they were suplimented by 110cm,  and 150cm pieces specifically intended for detecting the night raiders.   These larger pieces were less mobile , and usually situated in high-priority target areas.  Yet they continued to be used in their original roles as well.  ( It was the 110cm, and 60cm pieces that signifigantly aided in the defense of Zeebrugge on St.George's Day in April 1918.) 

It is interesting to note that so advanced were their design,  these lamps remained technically unchanged during use in WW2; save for the addition of a 200cm model.



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I wonder how long a searchlight would last if it was used to illuminate targets on land ? One would have thought it would have attracted bullets and shells like a lantern attracts moths...

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Well there are accounts of the Germans using them in this mode in 1939 when British and French troops again faced them across a nomansland.

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Hi all,

I found these two images on Ebay, showing WW1 searchlights.
Can anyone identify the model of these two serchlights?

Regards Sturm78


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Hello,

Don't know if it is German, but I think it is WW1

DJ

 

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCxzOY2JPrgChnKKQBDFCr-L5c1cp9wGLAlzhAiWC0ashWDJObG-na1nd6



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Having difficulty studying the pic;  any chance you could post the image over in a larger format that's "clickable" ?



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Hope this workshmm, if not, this is the link: http://www.stelling-amsterdam.nl/nieuwsbrief/2011/nieuwsbrief-364/

I thinks it is a  light used by the Neutral Dutch Army (home defence)

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May be of interest  a manual dealing with ground use of searchlights 1917...

Notes on the tactical use of foreground illumination.

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This looks like a signalling searchlight, not an AA one. From the diameter and the height of the contraception, I would infer a long distance one.

Anybody knows about the Galileo searchlights used by the Belgian army in 1940 ?

Gemsco



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