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Kameraden, help me please!

Here is a unknown truck in service of Russian Red Cross anno 1915.
What is it? I think some american truck...
russian 5-ton truck Russo-Baltique T 40/65 HP have also this look, only Russian is not so long...



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Here's a Riker tank wagon in 1916, in front of the Alamo as it happens.

I've flipped it to make comparison easier.

Any use?



-- Edited by James H at 22:55, 2008-12-16

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Hmmm. It's right-hand drive, if that makes any difference. A long shot, but could it be an Armstrong-Whitworth?


Oops. Don't know what happened there.

-- Edited by James H at 14:39, 2008-12-16

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The rad, very heavy chassis and rear wheels are all similar to a US built Riker, although from the small photo it is a bit hard to tell. Front wheels are metal spoked which i have not seen on a Riker before and the distinctive Riker front cross member is not visible. So, i am undecided. Any chance of a better scan of the lorry?

Tim

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Tim

Do you think the rear hub looks like a Riker? It looks very different to me. The cab doesn't have an American feel to me either, more Germanic in style.

A distinguishing feature is what appears to be louvres running part way down the bonnet. I'm currently thinking it could be a Praga from Czechoslavakia.

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I have no big scans, sorry.
Riker it is no! Now I think also it is a european lorry.
Russian army have befor 1914 many trucks and cars from Germany and Austria. I see in statistic no austrian Praga in Russia, only Laurin-Klement, Austro-Fiat and RAF...

Here is statistic of lorrys in service of Russian Imperial army 01.07.1917:

Benz (D) - 85
Berliet (F) - 173
Burford (GB) - 14
Buessing (D) - 22
Garford (US) - 189
Daimler (D) - 2
Daimler (GB) - 55
Jeffery (US) - 481
Saurer (CH) - 142
Crossley (GB) - 110
Laurin-Klement (A) - 3
Locomobile (US) - 44
La Dupre (F) - 20
Mannesmann-MULAG (D) - 20
Opel (D) - 67
Austin (GB) - 206
Napier (GB) - 135
Packard (US) - 1871
Peugeot (F) - 19
Peerless (US) - 336
Pierce-Arrow (USA) - 201
Renault (F) - 633
Russo-Baltique (R) - 31
Sunbeam (GB) - 15
Siddley-Deasy (GB) - 103
SPA (I) - 11
Talbot (GB) - 11
Federal (US) - 89
FIAT (I) - 231
AMO-FIAT (R) - 100
Sheffield-Simplex (GB) - 8
White (US) - 2591
NAG (D) - 8
Scania-Vabis (S) - 20
Tidaholm (S) - 4
Diatto (I) - 11
Lancia (I) - 22
Arbenz (CH) - 2
Others lorrys - 306

Statistic of lorrys para-military organisation, there help in front-line for Russian army - Red Cross of Allrussian Land-union. 01.10.1916:

Ford (US) - 6
Garford (US) - 105
Selden (US) - 113
Overland (US) - 4
Federal (US) - 3
Peerless (US) - 32
Pierce-Arrow (US) - 13
Packard (US) - 20
White (US) - 10
Benz (D) - 3
Berliet (F) - 3
Daimler (D) -1
Daimler (GB) - 2
NAG (D) - 4
Buessing (D) - 4
FIAT (I) - 2
Itala (I) - 1
Others lorrys - 13



-- Edited by Ivan at 00:59, 2008-12-17

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Hi All,

as I am not a specialist in softskin vehicles I just would like to spend my thoughts.

Back in German Army we had the phrase of "Russian style maintenance", which means: you canibalize a vehicle to repair or complete another. And thats what they often did back during and after WW1. And not only the Russians, as also Germany for example had a big lack of spare parts. Just as an example: they put the armour of a captured Lancia IZ on another chassis. So maybe the Russian did the same with several spare parts to put one lorry together?

As I said: I am not a specialist in lorries.

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elbavaro wrote:


Back in German Army we had the phrase of "Russian style maintenance", which means: you canibalize a vehicle to repair or complete another. And thats what they often did back during and after WW1. And not only the Russians, as also Germany for example had a big lack of spare parts. Just as an example: they put the armour of a captured Lancia IZ on another chassis. So maybe the Russian did the same with several spare parts to put one lorry together?


Yes, it's also possible. I sea russian Austin armoured car on White chassis and others with some parts assemled (repaired) trucks and cars. Now, this lorry with ambulance-train look as new and original.



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Runflat wrote:

Tim

Do you think the rear hub looks like a Riker? It looks very different to me. The cab doesn't have an American feel to me either, more Germanic in style.

A distinguishing feature is what appears to be louvres running part way down the bonnet. I'm currently thinking it could be a Praga from Czechoslavakia.


Yes i think you are right. certainly not a Riker. I have seen a similar semi louvred bonnet on a Dixi and Graft and Stift, and it does not like either of those. An interesting one.

Tim 





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No Dixi, 100% no Dixi (too long)!!!. Graef & Stift? ...possible....
The cab and radiator look as Russo-Balt T 40/65 HP, now.. for Russo-Balt is also too long...

Pictures of Russo-balt T panel truck 1913 and Ruso-balt T anti-aircraft gun (Poutiloff - 76 mm Lender-Tarnovski canon) 1914.

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If you have a close look at the picure with the group of Red Cross personnel, there are some markings on the chassis, directly above the head of the tall officer. Is there a letter K followed by something else? Is that a clue?

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