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Ivan · Field Marshal

Last weapon of Ehrhardt E-V/4 M 1915

kkfj1 · Major

I think the MGs were Russian Maxim.

elbavaro · Commander in Chief

Yes, but the right weapon doesn't look like a Maxim MG.

Ivan · Field Marshal

I think also Maxim 7,62 mm. And canon, Becker 20 mm automatic???

elbavaro · Commander in Chief

I have never seen a Maxim looking like this.
Becker Gun also looks different.
It remembers me on something, but I don't know what it is.

James H · Legend

In Steve Zaloga's book on the Renault there are photographs of post-war versions fitted with what he describes as Maxims, and they look very similar to those in Ivan's pic.

elbavaro · Commander in Chief

I am a little bit confused now.

To be precise:
I can see 4 weapons in this picture.
3 are simillar and I am sure that those are Maxim MGs
But the 4th weapon: what is it?

I have never seen any Machine Gun look like this.

oirob · Sergeant

...perhaps a Lewis Gun...???

Ironsides · Legend

It doesnt look like any Lewis gun Ive ever seen the bore if thats what it is appears to be at least 3cm or larger..
Could it be a 3.7cm Rosenberg trench gun? or something similar......

http://www.landships.freeservers.com/37mm_rosenberg_m15.htm

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Al Lemand · Corporal

Like oirob, I�was thinking of the Lewis gun.
If it is compared to some pictures, it seems a possible candidate.
I've pasted some insets on the subject photo

Ivan · Field Marshal

In Russian documents it has been written: "Polkovnik Bezmolitvenny" (Colonel Bezmolitvenniy - the oficer of White army, hes regiment captured this Ehrhardt) - an armour tractor with 6�MG and 30 mm a gun". Only it. When I have found a photo, I have understood that it is 100 % Ehrhardt E/V-4�M1915, it was one all and German historians about its losses did not write anything (they recognise only one Ehrhardt E/V-4 M1917 which have grasped Red-Russians under Kozinka in 1918).
Russian named its "tractor" because it�was allroad�4x4, Whites took it at Reds 16 (03) September 1918 and when Reds at Germans - it is not known.
We see it already on service by White-Russians (Don-Army). The weapon Russian should be already (where to take�munition to the German weapon?), I thought, what a gun Becker of 20 mm but if it is 30 mm, probably French or English? When it was at Germans, on it there were only�3x MG 08. Russian modernised it - have put protection of the side-parties of a gun (as on "Austin" and other armoured cars in Russia) and an armored board on a radiator.

-- Edited by Ivan on Monday 30th of March 2009 05:52:29 PM

elbavaro · Commander in Chief

For a Lewsi Machine Gun it is too small. Compare it with the Maxims!

A 30 mm gun is a possible explanation. I think it is not German.

kkfj1 · Major

elbavaro wrote:
I have never seen a Maxim looking like this.
Becker Gun also looks different.
It remembers me on something, but I don't know what it is.

PLA used a few Russian Maxims in early 1950s, so I think I'm familiar with them.
There are some differences between Russian Maxims and "real" German ones

natxokdt · Private

I think that it can be a kind of liht cannon, like the french 37mm Puteux. The barrel seems too strong to be a machinegun.
In this period there were a lot of tipes ofsmall guns used in every kind of crafts, ans during the RCW most of these were taken and used out of the ships.

Date: Nov 24, 2010

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