Landships II

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

I need help for Id. heavy artillery

Ironsides · Legend

Hi Sturm78 and welcome, I think the secound picture of the "french" tractor is actually �a German one possibly a Khemna.... used for towing large Mortars...

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=63528&p=3&topicID=10783605

Cheers smile

28juni14 · Hero

Sorry,� I failed to notice this post earlier.

The weapon system in the first foto is a German 28cm Kuestenm�rser.�� This was an indirect fire weapon.�� The idea being to impact the thiner deck armor of hostile capital ships.

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi all and thanks for your replies.

28juni14,�� Have you more info or images of this weapon? Do you know the exact model?�� confuse

�Not like this:

With respect to the other picture, I think maybe it could be one of the loads of a 240mm Mle 1884 french heavy gun. Perhaps the carriage trailer or base box trailer, no?

What is your opinion?

Regards Sturm78.

28juni14 · Hero

The official designation was: 28cm Kst. H. L/16 i�� I can not confirm, but believe it was produced in limited numbers.

Your photo(� post-war pic; abandoned piece�after the evacuation of positions on Flander's coast in late 1918.� Note the forward�recouperator valves have been removed to render the piece inoperable. )��is one of only two I've ever seen of the weapon.

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Thanks you for your answer, 28juni14.

Was this weapon manufactured by Krupp?

I do not know anything about this weapon confuse

.� I just knew the Krupp 28cm Kusten Haubitze L12
See http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=135136�and http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=148648

Regards Sturm78

-- Edited by Sturm78 on Wednesday 29th of April 2009 05:05:02 PM

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi all,

I found these photos on Ebay. According to the caption they would be old Russian heavy coastal guns in Sevastopol.
Can anyone identify the models?

Regards Sturm78.

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi all,

Nobody?? cry

Well, I found this others images on Ebay of german coastal guns in Belgium coast taken during WW1. Can anyone help me to identify the exact model of the guns?

First photo: 28cm gun of Batterie Tirpitz : 28cm ??? model
Second and third photos: 15cm guns of Batterie Beseler: 15cm SK L40 or 15cm SK L45 ?

Regards Sturm78.

-- Edited by Sturm78 on Monday 25th of May 2009 09:05:03 PM

28juni14 · Hero

Hallo Sturm78!

Much of what you ask has been addressed in previous posts.� Please search and review via "artillery".

In short,� the Ruski guns are 1880 period Krupp ordnance.�� Large of numbers of which found their way into Russian, Turkish, Spanish , and lesser nations fortifications.� Sales of this nature were common for Krupp after the Franco-Prussian War.

The last pictured are all from the Flandern fortifications.� The first is a 28cm SK L/45 likely from Batterie Tirpitz protecting Ostende.� The next is a 15cm SK L/40 possibly from Batterie Beseler, again�postioned hear Ostende.

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Thank you for your information, 28juni14.

It is difficult to distinguish between 15cm SK L40 and 15cm SK L45

Regards Sturm78

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi 28juni14

I have achieved an electronic version of The Encyclopedia of Russian artillery AB Shirokorad.�

Although I do not understand Russian, according�to the �pictures and drawings of this book, I think the russian guns can be:

First photo: 28cm M1877 coastal howitzer
Second photo: 28cm M1887 L35 coastal gun
Third photo: 28cm M1867 or M1877 coastal howitzer

Can anyone confirm this? According to�28juni14 all guns are Krupp.

Regards Sturm78

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tbma · Corporal

Hello Sturm78

I think that first photo can be positively identified as 11 inch (280mm) M1867-M1877 howitzer - possibly the most widely used (and surviving) from the period.
For example: Port Arthur (#1), Sveaborg (#2), Vladivostok (#3 and #4).

Number two: 28cm M1887 L35 gun was rare, and was installed only on battery #10 and it looks a lot like it: http://wikimapia.org/12262851/Coastal-battery-10
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9513/283y.jpg
Battery had 8 guns, 5 made by Krupp and 3 made by Obuhov factory, and they can be distinguished by raised trunnion ring. That makes this particular one made by Obuhov.

Number three looks a lot like a 9-inch M1877 gun on Durlacher hydraulic mount. But I couldn't find any photos of it. Just those pictures (#5,#6) on Semenovsky mount.

One more note - if all those pictures were taken by the same photographer, - it is possible that we see batteries #9,#10 and #11 in Sevastopol between Quarantinnaya bay and Aleksandrovsky cape.
All of them were located together, and had: #9 - 11inch M1867 (x6), #10 - 11inch M1887 (x8) and #11 - 9inch M1877 (x8).

-- Edited by tbma on Friday 29th of May 2009 08:57:40 PM

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi Tbma,

Thank you very much for your help!!. I think you are right

Regards Sturm78

-- Edited by Sturm78 on Monday 6th of July 2009 12:17:07 AM

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi all,

I found this image and I need help to Id this heavy coastal gun. I suppose it is of Russian origin but I am not sure.

Thanks in advance. Sturm78

28juni14 · Hero

...crew appears to be Bulgarian;� note German supplied clothing & accoutrement's.

ALVF · Major

Hello,

This gun is a 240 mm Schneider coast gun.
Similar guns were made for Bulgaria and P�rou.
Two peruvian undelivered guns were used by french Army in Verdun in 1915 on static coast mountings.
Two 240 mm Schneider coast guns were in Varna (Bulgaria) in 1914.
Yours sincerely,
Guy.

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Thank you very much for your information, Guy. smile

240mm Schneider bulgarian coast gun, therefore.

I have the book "Les Canons de la Victoire 1914-18"

, where this gun�is mentioned, but there are only two frontal photos of the specimens used by the French Army in WW1.

I found this other picture on Ebay. Can anyone identify the gun model?

Regards Sturm78

-- Edited by Sturm78 on Saturday 26th of September 2009 11:16:58 AM

-- Edited by Sturm78 on Saturday 26th of September 2009 11:19:09 AM

ALVF · Major

Hello,

I think this gun is a russian 130 mm L/55 navy gun in land service.It is a Canet gun, many similars guns were made in Russia in 130 mm, 152mm, 203mm for navy, many were used in land service in 1915-1917 years.During years 1895-1914, it was a close cooperation between Schneider and Obuchov.Schneider made many prototypes and designs for Russia (heavy artillery, coast artillery, navy guns).
Yours sincerely,
Guy.

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Thank you very much for your answer� smile �, ALVF, and sorry for delay.

130mm russian L55 Canet coastal gun?? Ummm, I am not sure confuse

According to http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_Main.htm�the only 130mm L55 russian navy gun was the 130mm Vickers/Obuhov Model 1913.
Not Canet gun.

I think perhaps 152mm Model 1908 russian guns captured by germans in WW1.
See http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_6-50_m1908.htm.

The truth is that I have no idea wink

Maybe someone can help me with these other two guns, unknow for me:

Regards Sturm78.

ALVF · Major

Hello,

The first gun is a british 6in BLC Siege Gun on carriage Travelling BL.6in.Mk 1, two batteries in France in november 1914.

The second is a german 13-cm-Kanone gefedert introduced in 1917.

Yours sincerely,
Guy.

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi ALVF, thank you very much for your information. smile

As for the British gun, I�suppose you are referring to the 6in Mk IV and VI BLC siege gun.

As for�the German gun, I did not know this model. I just knew the 13.5cm Krupp FK1909, that appears in the book "German Artillery of WW1" of Herbert J�ger.� This book does not mention this gun introduced in 1917.�
Have �you more information about this gun?

On the other hand, I have more pictures of unidentified heavy guns of WW1:

Thanks in advance. Regards Sturm78.

-- Edited by Sturm78 on Monday 12th of October 2009 10:15:58 PM

ALVF · Major

Hello,

The 13-cm Kanone gefedert is near identical to the 13-cm Kanone introduced in 1909.
-13-cm-K : horse drawn only.
-13-cm-K.gef : use of tractor for prime moving (but also horse drawn), carriage modified.

The photograph: 240 mm Schneider coast gun used by Perou and Bulgarie, this model was used in Verdun battle in 1914-1916 years.

Yours sincerely,
Guy Fran�ois.

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi ALVF. Thank you very much for your reply.�You are a great help. smile
I must look better in my books wink .

Peru bought 6 guns�(4 delivered and 2 used by French army in WW1) and Bulgaria only bought 2 guns. Is this information correct?�
Were the bulgarian guns still in use during the Second World War?

As for the 13cm K09 and 13cm K gef.� I have several questions:

gefedert=�spring-suspension.�Was the suspension the only�difference between the two guns?� How could I distinguish them externally?�

According to some sources were produced very few 13cm K09. How many?
and for 13cm K gef., how many?

His name was 13cm K gef. or 13cm K09 gef.?

Why the Germans introduced the 13cm K gef. in 1917 if they already had the 15cm K16?

The Belgian army got some of these guns after the WW1. �Were these guns 13cm K09�or 13cm K gef.?
See http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=145729�and http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=97577&hilit=bones

A image of a Belgian gun (I think) with very rare limber:�

Regards Sturm78

-- Edited by Sturm78 on Wednesday 14th of October 2009 11:28:30 AM

ALVF · Major

Hello,

204 guns 13-cm K of the two models were produced during the war, according Krupp's report "Zusammenstellung der im Kriege gelieferten Gesch�tze", 32 were in service in August 1914.
The 13-cm K gef. had steels wheels.
The germans call this gun "13-cm Kanone", very rarely "K 09" and never "13,5 cm K 09".
The "13,5 cm Belagerungskanone L/35" was one export model, who was used by "Marinekorps Flandern" (but with 2 guns used only).
Yours sincerely,
Guy Fran�ois.

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

ALVF wrote:
The 13-cm K gef. had steels wheels.

Thank you very much for your information, ALVF. smile

I�guess�therefore that the 13cm Kanone had wooden wheels, no??
Any photo??

Why the Germans introduced the 13cm K gef. in 1917 if they already had the 15cm K16?

As for the 240mm Schneider coastal guns:
Do you know if were the bulgarian guns still in use during the Second World War?

Regards Sturm78.

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MCP · Captain

Sturm78 wrote:

As for the 240mm Schneider coastal guns:
Do you know if were the bulgarian guns still in use during the Second World War?

Yes the 240mm L/45 Schneider coast guns M. 1907 were still in service in a list of the Bulgarian coast artillery dating 30 June 1948. At that time the guns were only 10% worn out.

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Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Thank you very much, MCP.

Regards Sturm78

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. I think the image show a 13cm Kanone of 1909 version (K09), not 1917 version.�(spoked steel wheels, not solid steel wheels with�6 round�holes)

I've never seen a picture of this gun with these wheels. Can anybody confirm this?

Regards Sturm78

SASH155 · Major

The 13cm K-09 (actual caliber was 135mm)�was fitted out with the same type of wheels as those used on the 21cm M�rser M-1910, ie. the wood? spoked steel tired wheels seen in this photo. In fact many photos of the K-09 show it with that earlier�type of wheel. I suppose the "gefedert" (literally de-horsed??? I'm not sure exactly) version introduced late in the war was equipped with the six hole pressed steel wheels because it was built expressly for motor traction.�Ets. John Cockerill seem to have used the gefedert version of the gun for their conversions into the Canon de 155mm long mle. 1924 as they could add solid rubber tires to make it more suitable for high speed towing.

-- Edited by SASH155 on Monday 2nd of November 2009 10:33:43 PM

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Thank you very much for your information, SASH155. smile

Regards Sturm78

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi all,

I need help for Id. this heavy railway gun.� According to photocaption the image was taken in Italy during WW1. Perhaps french heavy rail howitzer (400mm Mle 1915 or Mle 1916) but I am not sure.� Also I�think that these�french howitzers�were not used in Italy. cry

Sorry for the poor quality of the image.

Regards Sturm78

MCP · Captain

I think it is a "Cannone da 381/40 S 1914 Ansaldo su installazione semovente ferroviaria".�Seven of these guns were manufactured in�1915 by Ansaldo putting on a railway mounting a naval�gun, originally designed for the 32000 t battleship Cristoforo Colombo. They were employed at first to defend the Adriatic coast, and in 1917, after Caporetto, were assigned to the defence of the Piave river.

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Thank you very much ACP. smile

According to Wikipedia,��4 guns were built, entering service�in 1917.

Regards Sturm78

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi all,

I need your help to correctly Id. this german heavy field gun.
I am almost sure it is a 15cm Feldkanone i.R. being towed by a steam tractor behind a munitions trailer.
But it could also be a 10cm Krupp K�stenkanone L50 in R�derlafette. The book "German artillery of WW1" of Herbert J�ger contains two photos of this gun ans is very similar to the previous.

Thanks in advance. Regards Sturm78

-- Edited by Sturm78 on Friday 20th of November 2009 10:56:23 AM

SASH155 · Major

Yes, it is a 15cm K iR L/40.

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Thank you SASH155

Regards Sturm78

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. Can anyone identify this artillery piece?
I think that the image shows only�the�barrel carried on a Lastenverteilergerat trailer.

Regards Sturm78

SASH155 · Major

Perhaps it's the ordnance of a 28cm Kustenm�rser?

Sturm78 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Hi SASH155,

I think in a 30.5cm K�stenm�rser L/8 Beta-Ger�t barrel

Regards Sturm78

SASH155 · Major

If I remember correctly both the 28cm and 30.5cm Kustenm�rser were of similar design and outline, thus hard to tell apart. I�notice that the trunions on this barrel have lifting studs on the ends.