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First Estonian armored car was built in December 1918 in Tallinn Harbor factory under engineer Saukas and Johan Pitka (later rear admiral and commander of Estonian Navy).It was named Estonia. It was built on the Federal 3 ton lorry. Second armored car named Tasuja was build soon after. Unfortunately none of the pictures from 2 AFV original havent survived

Tasuja was lost in combat on the 23. March near Orava mansion Southern Estonia. Later new armored car carried same name.  Estonia was too heavy for winter road and was stationed in Tallinn and was manned by Estonia theatre Defense League unit

 

End of the December 1919. captain A. Uus was put in charge of building AFV for Estonian army. With Saukas they designed  new AFV.  Total 6 AFV were build during January 1919. - . January 1920. Estonia was rebuild in April 1919, after rebuilding it looked similar to others AFV

 All AFV were similarly build and armed.

 

Wahur was completed in February 1919. Build on the Packard lorry chassis. In active duty from the  15.March.

Toonela was completed in April. 1919. Build on the AEC lorry chassis. In active duty since the 22. April.

Wibuane was completed in April. 1919. Build on the AEC lorry chassis. In active duty since the 23. April.

Kalevipoeg was completed in April. 1919. Build on the AEC lorry chassis. In active duty since the 25. April.

Kotkasilm was completed in January 1920. Build on the AEC lorry chassis.

Erilane (later renamed as Lembit) was completed in January 1920. Build on the AEC lorry chassis.

Armed: 37 mm automatic gun in turret 2 MG rear of the AFV and LMG (Madsen LMG) front of the car. Amour 6  - 10 mm. Weight up to 8 tons

 

War booty

Northern Sons regiment (Finnish volunteers in Estonian war of independence) captured a Peerless AFV in March 1919 which was armed with 40 mm AA gun. After finn volunteers left Estonia it was handed over to Estonian Army. Car was rebuild and turret armed with 37 mm gun was added. It was named Pisuhänd

Suur Tõll, Wambola and Tasuja were part of the white Russian Northern Western army. Suur Tõll and Tasuja were both Austin-Putilov and Wambola Izorski-Fiat

 

All those AFV were in service until 1940. when Estonia was occupied by Soviet union, except Wahur.

 

I will add pictures during this weekend.

 Best regards

Siim Õismaa

Estonian War Museum
www.laidoner.ee



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Thank you for that information, Siim. Very interesting. I look forward to the pictures, I'm sure the scratch-builders out there will be keen too.

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Pisuhänd.jpg
Pisuhänd  after rebuilding. Winter 1919/1920.

Kalewipoeg.jpg1. 1. Armoured car Kalewipoeg" Commander of the crew was a Swedish volunteer Captain Einar Lundborg. who is sitting on the top of the turret. Only one who has proper uniform.smile


2_4s.jpg
2. Armoured car "Estonia" in Narva, autumn 1919.


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"Kalewipoeg" - The same confuse



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Pisuhänd = EST (ex. Pohijan Poika = SF) = ex. Russian anti-aircraft gun on chassis of Peerless truck, armoured by Armstrong-Vickers.

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About the markings and color. Usually the car name was painted on the both sides and front of the car. During summer cars were painted olive-green and winter grey-white green.

Toonela.jpg
Toonela

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estonia1.jpg
Estonia in Narva summer 1919.



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Wonderful photos. Much appreciated even though armoured cars/lorries aren't really my thing. (I like tracks!)

Gwyn

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"Estonia" Soomusauto (Panzerwagen) on chassis of Federal truck.

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AEC Soomusauto  "Toonela"

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Bonjour,

About photo with the Hotchkiss machine-gun, it's interesting to see the monocular sigh used in Renault FT turret. This machine gun is, perhaps, coming from one of the Renault given to Estonian Army.

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Ivan wrote:

AEC Soomusauto  "Toonela"



 last pic is dated after 1930



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Ivan wrote:

Pisuhänd = EST (ex. Pohijan Poika = SF) = ex. Russian anti-aircraft gun on chassis of Peerless truck, armoured by Armstrong-Vickers.


pic with Hotchkiss MG is dated after 1936

 



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Bonsoir Ivan,

Perhaps after 1936, but it's well the monocular sigh system used on Renault FT.
The same moncular sigh was also used on Polish WZ 25 machine-gun.
This machine-gun was the 7,92 mm Hotchkiss machine-gun used on some Polish Renault FT.

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We had a thread about these vehicles a couple of years ago, but I can't find it. If I remember correctly, they were named after giants and other figures from Estonian mythology.

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Hi James found this is it the one you mean....

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=63528&p=3&topicID=10234648

Anyway im interested in the improvised armour on these vehicles and would like to know what you think its made from, they look like some kind of gun shield to me..
I think they would make for a great model project..... any measurements or drawings anyone..... I think i already have suitable wheels for Pisuhänd or Estonia....

Cheerssmile

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That's the one.

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Estonian AFV's, tanks, military trucks, military cars and tractors (by Rain Vaikla):

http://www.eag.unicweb.ee/ewarmee.html

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