Landships II

Poniatowski · Major

End of the Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor FOR GOOD

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Hi, I've looked up the Patton Museum site and found that they are looking for donations for another Museum.� There was rumours 10 or so years ago that Bovington was getting rid of all the foreign Tanks, they didn't, infact they spent a great deal of money on a particular foreign Tank.

I hope this page of the website is not out of date.

http://www.generalpatton.org/contribute/contribute.asp

ChrisG

Rob · Legend

LincolnTanker wrote:

� There was rumours 10 or so years ago that Bovington was getting rid of all the foreign Tanks, they didn't, infact they spent a great deal of money on a particular foreign Tank.

�Too much, one might say

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Rob wrote:

LincolnTanker wrote:

� There was rumours 10 or so years ago that Bovington was getting rid of all the foreign Tanks, they didn't, infact they spent a great deal of money on a particular foreign Tank.

�Too much, one might say

Yes, too much�, I wonder what it's cost per mile�is?� and �I won't mention the Vulcan.� Bu**er I have!

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Rob · Legend

Don't get me started on that one - used to work on vintage aircraft at the same airfield, when mentioned it was usually preceded with a swearword and always followed with a derogatory comment!

RCD · Lieutenant-Colonel

LincolnTanker wrote:

Rob wrote:

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LincolnTanker wrote:

� There was rumours 10 or so years ago that Bovington was getting rid of all the foreign Tanks, they didn't, infact they spent a great deal of money on a particular foreign Tank.

�Too much, one might say

Yes, too much�, I wonder what it's cost per mile�is?� and �I won't mention the Vulcan.� Bu**er I have!
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Strange that so many people want to see the Vulcan in this day and age. Must be my age but they were two a penny and noisy when they flew over my home on the way to the Wainfleet bombing range.You did not even look up at them. Having said�that the �scout group I was in�had a visit to a base and were allowed into one of them.�How cramped.�The same could be the same for the super sabres coming over�too many, too�noisy!

Then one day they were no more!

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Date: Jul 10, 2010

The Patton will remain at Knox...� but the Armor collection will move to Benning.� Around the 11th of September the Armor portion of the Patton Museum will close. But the Patton collection will remain open.. this represents about 25% of the museum floor space.

The Armor Collection which consists of over 150 vehicles, thousands of documents and tens of thousands of other items has already begun the move to Ft. Benning.

Unfortunately members of Senator McCain's staff are blocking funds to house and preserve the collection.� Therefore the vehicles may be left to the elements.

A Foundation was formed in 2006 to erect a new Armor and Cavalry Museum at Benning near the National Infantry Musuem.� The Foundation is named:� The National Armor and Cavalry Heritage Foundation.� You can find its website at:� www.armorcavalrymuseum.org

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

I can understand why aircraft enthusiasts, I am one my self, �would like to see the Vulcan fly. It is an impressive plane, I remember seeing a exuberant Vulcan display at an American base here in England, I was stood behind 3 Americans one of who� said "Damn, that's not gone off the base."��Unlike the F-15s,16s etc.

But �7,500,000 and still rising.

Then there's the Olympics and the Lottery Fund ........

Got to stop now I'm getting depressed.

ChrisG

Rectalgia · Legend

Used once in anger - a mission of incredible imagination and daring. Little wonder about its cachet. And it was the sexiest of the V-bombers by far. Who knows, it might be needed again?

That war meant the end of Australia as bargain basement aircraft-carrier wielding nation by the way ("Sorry cobber, we just found out we need our glorious HMS surplus carrier Invincible after all."). Which threw all the load vis long-range strike/interdiction on the F111s. Which have cost two arms and three legs to keep in the air. And yet more to replace.

Except the replacement doesn't actually have the same capabilities. And is nowhere near ready. Talk softly but carry a big stick. Well, imagine there's a big stick around here ... somewhere. I mean it's not like Europe here, where a couple of minutes inattention in a Tiger Moth is going to take you into someone else's airspace. 7.65M km² with 60,000 km of coastline (and that's not counting the really fiddly bits).

I think Britain needs two Vulcans flying. Maybe three.

I mean watching it on YouTube just isn't the same.

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

My best memory of the Vulcan was when I helped to recover a Lancaster rear turret ring off a Lancaster that landed in the Wash, while walking out there I saw a Vulcan very low on the horizon coming towards us it passed us at 100ftish 1/4 mile away, dropped it's Thunderflash or whatever on the beached target ship (LST?) and climbed steeply into the cloud.

What was impressive in a totally different way was how the guy I was with walked to a point in the featureless Wash, pushed his steel probe into the sand a dozen times and found the ring!

I hope the LST building is kept, brilliant idea.

http://www.generalpatton.org/D-Day/LST.htm

The site is worth a look at, the building of the trench diorama is informative.

ChrisG

Poniatowski · Major

I saw a Vulcan fly at the Milwaukee Airshow years ago. Impressive airplane.

The new Patton Museum is not going to be like the old one. I hope you guys understand that this is not a rumor, this is a fact... There will be ONE Sherman on display at Knox, plus the two tanks at the main gate. EVERYTHING ELSE is leaving and may not be on public display for quite some time... if ever.

The fact is this, in a couple of months, you won't be able to see the collection unless you're US military and even then it will be quite some time before it's in place at Benning.

I believe I have this correct, that the Patton Museum Foundation will handle what's left of the collection, such as the General's medals, HQ truck, and other personal items and archives.� This is not the tank collection, which is going away.

Ron

-- Edited by Poniatowski on Sunday 11th of July 2010 04:26:43 PM

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Sadly this link confirms the news:-�

www.army.mil/-news/2010/02/15/34433-knox-armor-artifacts-begin-move-to-benning

They have a WW1 truck at Benning, anyone know what it is? I like the sprung bumpers.

-- Edited by LincolnTanker on Sunday 11th of July 2010 06:57:30 PM

Rob · Legend

Looks like a Liberty B

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Liberty_B_Truck.jpg

Poniatowski · Major

Another FYI, the 'New' Patton Museum will be in the same spot as the Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor, but will only be in about 30 by 40 feet of display space until they really get on their feet and hopefully expand. Don't go there looking for tanks. The current world famous and exceptional (one of the finest in the world) will close on Sept. 7 as stated in the article.

As a veteran of Iraq, armor, artillery, infantry, I think Benning is a poor choice of training ground for all of this.� Politics and the military are inbred in a bad way sometimes.

Ron

-- Edited by Poniatowski on Sunday 11th of July 2010 08:39:03 PM

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Rob wrote:

Looks like a Liberty B

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Liberty_B_Truck.jpg

Thanks Rob,� I see Ken Musgrave has a plan of it.

Rob · Legend

If you're after a kit, there's bound to be one out there, giving how many were built and it's historical standing (and numbers preserved!) in the US

Ironsides · Legend

Reviresco do a kit of the Liberty B in 1/72.... 15 dollars

http://www.tin-soldier.com/sg/ltruck.htm

Cheers wink

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Thanks Rob, Ironsides,� my old�eyes are not good fror braille scale,� I'll have to build a large print version one�someday.

andiS · Captain

Sorry, I'm confused here. The site says..

The Armor Museum will have a new facility built at Fort Benning, which will be located near the new National Infantry Museum. The new name will be the National Armor and Cavalry Museum. The new facility, once built, will contain three times more exhibit space. There are 50 vehicles on display at the Patton Museum, but the Armor and Cavalry Museum will easily hold 150 displays.

So why is that a bad thing?