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eugene

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Hi
I found yet another russia narmroed car this one
is simply called red petrograd


not much info on it and only a drawing does nay one have any info on this
it must be tsarsit since it is unlikely that the bolsheviks made this themselves

I am hunting for more info

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Roger Todd

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It's the Allis-Chalmers! Allis-Chalmers were a US tractor maker.


I love those, there's a great site here:


http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWII/tractor/bronetr1.html




You'll be able to read that page - and browse the rest, it's bloomin' great, you'll love it!



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eugene

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Great I should have look at kiev.armor.ua its a great site
in the mean time i foudn more info
the body was made of austin-putilov scraps, like turrets and such mounted on the chassis they had



Thank Roger!


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eugene

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photo of it


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eugene

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Ill transalte and find out what happened to it and were it was used!

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Roger Todd

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Glad to help, Eugene!


And I'd be fascinated to know what that site actually says about it!


While you're at it, can you check this page, please?


http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWII/tractor/bronetr0.html


What the heck is this:



It says: 'Captured Clayton armored tractor'


But what's it all about (Alfie)?


Anyway, bedtime now, ciao.



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Tim Rigsby

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Hello guys


  I have been working on a article on these vehicles, Hopfully I can get it posted  soon.


All The Best


Tim R.



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Vilkata

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What an odd vehicle!

Central revolving turret, with rear-mounted turret with cannon? What a peculiar setup to have. It's like an improved halftrack version of the Putilov-Garford!

This is another vehicle I had never seen before... I learn something new every single day on these forums.

---Vil.

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Robert Robinson

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Clayton tractors were one of the standard vehicles used by the RFC/RAF for towing big bombers (eg Handley Page 0/400) around the airfield. Post WW1 they were used for launching and retrieving lifeboats across beaches. They were fairly conventional twin track jobs with a single drivers seat at the rear. Looking at the photo the tracks (what I can see of them) appear to be those of a standard Clayton. The single wheel at the front seems like an add on and not part of the original tractor (unlike the front wheels of Best and Holt armoured tractors). The roundel on the side of the vehicle could be the Imperial Russian Flying Corps. One guess would be that it was an IRFC airfield tractor (used for the big four engined Sikorsky bombers) turned into an improvised armoured vehicle, used by the White Russian forces and captured by the Reds.

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Thinking more about this and looking at the photo some more I can't see how the driver could see how to steer. The driving position on a Clayton was to the rear of the tracks so how on earfh could he see forward out of those tow small windows? Unless of course we are looking at the rear of the vehicle and there is a better window at the front (which would compromise the armour protection.

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Roger Todd


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Tim, good luck with the article, I look forward to it!


Robert, many thanks for the info. It's amazing how many early tracked tractors there were. It certainly makes sense that they'd have used them for the big Murometz bombers, seeing as we used them for the 0/400s.


As a general observation, seeing as so many early leads take us to tractors, have you (any of you, that is) looked at this magazine?


http://www.oldtractor.co.uk/cgi-bin/purchase.cgi?s=bi


That page is for back issues - just look at some topics covered:


Issue 5 February 2004


Clayton Crawler Peter J. Lonfoot looks at a pioneer British crawler - the Clayton 'chain-rail'.


Prairie Tractors Rare photographs of early American prairie tractors in action.


 


Issue 11 August 2004: Pedrail Systems John Glanfield tells the story of Bramah Diplock and his pioneering track systems.


And this site has HO kits of early tracked vehicles, including the classic Holt:


http://www.riograndemodels.com/HO.htm



And a steam Holt:



I may be getting the old debit card out...



-- Edited by Roger Todd at 17:24, 2005-12-12

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