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andygottlieb


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Hi

I am new to this forum and would really appreciate some help identifying this piece.

I was told it is a German WW1 77mm piece. It certainly is 77mm but the shield looks totally different to others i have seen. Also I can't find any markings (although they may be hidden).

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Andy



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CharlieC


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Looks like a 7.7cm Feldkanone 96 n.A.  The top section of the shield is folded backwards - originally the top section could fold forwards it had the

backrests for the axle tree seats. The lower prt of the shield appears to be missing. The markings on the gun will be on the breech ring - the serial no.

above the loading port and the build date below the loading port. If the gun number is below about 4500 there will be two dates - the original build

date (1896-1898) and the rebuild date (1906-07) when it was converted to full recoil absorption.

Here's a restored FK 96 n.A - http://www.ammsbrisbane.com/home.html?L0=7&L1=1&L2=12. 

Regards,

Charlie



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Charlie

Thanks for the reply. The shield on the Brisbane gun and all the others i've seen has a cut out in the middle of the top bit - the one I posted does not - it is straight across.

Also the others i've seen have a gap in the shield around the barrel - where as this one does not. Could it be a different manufacturer?

 

Andy



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More likely, I think, is a poor attempt at restoration - I notice the axle tree seats are only approximations of the originals. 

On the back of the shield should be a set of brackets to hold the shovels - these are not present in this gun. There should be

two S-shaped strengthening ribs on the back of the shield and a rib around the barrel cutout - these are all missing. The port for the

gun sight is in the wrong place and the wrong shape and is missing the cover for the port.

Regards,

Charlie



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Charlie, I appreciate your time looking at this for me. This piece was found in a barn in Belgium, right on the border with Holland and has been in the barn since the farmer himself can remember. To me it hasn't been restored (if it has at least 60 years ago). I wondered if it could be some kind of contract piece for a different nation , Belgium , Holland etc rather than German . There are so many differences compared to the standard German model. 

I am new to this so will go with the views of you more experienced guys on here.

Regards

 

Andy



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The 7.7cm gun was only used by the German Army in WW1, some were used by the Baltic republics which were created after WW1. However, a similar 75mm gun made

by Krupp was used by both Holland, Belgium and lots of other countries - your gun isn't one of these though - the 75mm had a very distinctive cover on the end of the

receiver and a curved shield. Hopefully Ralph Lovett will comment in this thread - he has rebuilt a 7.7cm.

The more I look at the images of the gun the more it looks like something pieced together from bits and pieces. Perhaps only the barrel is from an FK 96 n.A. 

Regards,

Charlie



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Item pictured is not an FK96 n/A; rather a Skoda 8cm M.5 Feldkanone.  This was the primary divisional peice in use with KuK forces after 1911.   Cosmetically,  It differs from the M.5/8 in that the later had a barrel sweat band forward, whereas the M.5 had it machined in.   A relatively rare piece  in the USA that deserves restoration.  



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Agreed - wonder how an 8cm Skoda got to Belgium? There were some Austro-Hungarian divisions deployed in quiet sectors on the Western Front

- perhaps they brought their own artillery. The actual calibre of the 8cm gun was 76.5mm according to Kosar's book.

Regards,

Charlie



-- Edited by CharlieC on Sunday 9th of September 2012 10:10:07 AM

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Well spotted heres a large pic  Skoda 8cm Feldkanone (from wiki) ....

this should give enough details to confirm it....

http://www.landships.freeservers.com/8cm_feldkanone_m5_walkaround.htm

 

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andygottlieb


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Thanks for the help guys - really appreciate it.

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This ex-Austrian gun may have been used by the German occuyping forces in WW2

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8cm M.5 Feldkanone wasn't Skoda construction.



-- Edited by nebojsa djokic on Monday 24th of September 2012 12:54:11 AM

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Kosar's "Artillerie im 20. Jahrhundert" says the manufacturer of the 8cm M05/08 was "staatlich/Skoda" which I think can be interpreted as

a joint venture between the State (Arsenal?) and Skoda.

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Charlie



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Skoda is a one of the producers but gun was not designed in Skoda like howitzers Skoda 10 cm M 14 and M 16 or mountain gun 75 mm M 15.

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