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Looks like Überlandwagen was found in Poland. That would be a sensation. Some people even think it's an A7V, which would be a world-scale mega-sensation, but I don't believe it ;)

http://dzieje.pl/rozmaitosci/chca-wydobyc-i-zrekonstruowac-niemiecki-czolg-z-i-wojny-swiatowej

The term "Überlandwagen" can't be found it the article, looks like the person who wrote the article doesn't know it. Plus there is an incorrect information about the only original A7V (it's written that it is in Sydney).



-- Edited by Albert on Monday 31st of December 2012 08:51:44 AM

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One picture would tell more than a thousand words. - From what I was able to single out, there are two(?) Polish newspaper(?) articles dealing with the find, but no picture of the actual vehicle wreck accompanying them.



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Sounds like it's still on the riverbed.

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Yes, it's 4 meters below the surface of water in river Wieprz.

No matter what it really is, there are plans to make a replica of A7V in Poland.



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If this turns out to be an A7V, some people are going to look rather foolish. Myself included. I should be most interested to hear more about the replica, Albert. Why are they doing that? It will make it even harder to convince people that the Polish A7Vs are a myth.

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Indeed it would be "egg on our face" if the myth were proven factual.   Many have beleived it;  even Walter Spielberger trusted Heigl's work as I learned in a conversation with him during the late 90s.



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Gentlemen, in my opinion this can't be an A7V. There is not a single sign in Polish documents and no photos and believe me - if we really had even a single tank of this type, it would be photographed a lot. So Polish A7Vs is just a myth started in "Heigl's Taschenbuch der Tanks" (generally good and reliable series of books) and still living in some unproffessional publications to this day. And this myth is surprisingly resistant if even such an expert as Walter Spielberger belived in it!

After reading more articles it looks like they are even not sure if this is an Überlandwagen. This may even be some kind of tractor, so let's not get our hopes up. There will be attempts to take it out of water in the first half of 2013, then we'll see what it is. But if it really is an Überlandwagen, it would be great, because only 56 were made and none of them survived to this day. Everyone would prefer it to be an A7V, but for me this is simply impossible wink

Nevertheless there are plans to make a running replica of A7V in Poland. Depending on what is hidden in river Wieprz, the replica may contain original elements or not. Why are they planning to make this replica? Their answer is simple: "because A7V is an interesting and unique design". The cost of making it is estimated at 90 000 Polish zloty, which is around 22 500 EUR or 30 000 USD.

Don't worry, I'm sure that no-one will try to make this replica with Polish markings and revive the myth of Polish A7Vs wink I'm sure that they will try to make it realistic, with German markings and maybe camouflage.



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22500 euros/30000 USD to build an A7V replica? Sounds very good value to me!

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Albert wrote:

Looks like Überlandwagen was found in Poland. That would be a sensation. Some people even think it's an A7V, which would be a world-scale mega-sensation, but I don't believe it ;)

- Edited by Albert on Monday 31st of December 2012 08:51:44 AM
 I wouldn't even think it is a Ueberlandwagen. Why?

         Look at this picture I found in a Polish forum: A Lanz Gleiskettenschlepper and this/ these vehicle WAS/WERE in Poland in the twenties!

 

         

           Niemiecki ciki cignik artyleryjski Lanz z silnikiem 6-cylindrowym o mocy 100 KM w Centralnych Skadach Samochodowych w 1919 lub 1920 roku.

           But that's anyone's guess. wink

 

         Cheers, Peter



-- Edited by Peter T on Thursday 3rd of January 2013 05:18:05 PM



-- Edited by Peter T on Thursday 3rd of January 2013 05:18:39 PM

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Well, if it's not a Ueberlandwagen I hope it's a Lanz - what a lovely beast!

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That looks very promising. From this angle you can see how it could be mistaken for an Überlandwagen:



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It's been over a year now. I think they've had time to show their hand. Is there any news, or should we forget it?



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James H wrote:

It's been over a year now. I think they've had time to show their hand. Is there any news, or should we forget it?


 

Unfortunately no news, I don't know whether the vehicle was identified and whether there were any attempts to take it out of water. For me this silence means that people who informed about it made fools of themselves and don't want to remind people about this cry



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just found these articles also from january 2013 ...
konflikty.wp.pl/kat,1342,title,Czolg-A7V-z-I-wojny-swiatowej-na-dnie-Wieprza-To-moze-byc-pierwszy-oryginal-w-Europie,wid,15208563,wiadomosc.html

Reprinted here ..
www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/a7v-tank-from-world-war-i-on-the-bottom-wieprz-river-it-may-be-the-first-original-in-europe.html

I'm guessing that this is actually a WW2 tank or at best a trimmed-down Gelandewagon used for logging - mabe even an Allis-Chalmers or Lombard logging halftrack - all still worthy of rescuing.

One article mentions a "Reconstructive 8 Legions Infantry Regiment" (re-enacter's group ?). Maybe another attempted trick for money like the uber-rare JagdTiger with 88mm found in Poland in the '90s & not heard of since ;)



-- Edited by hobgrot on Friday 21st of February 2014 01:56:01 AM

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