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I am trying to research on the Model T scout car, and would like to know what color it was painted. I did a Google search, but could find very little on it. What color was it painted and what stencils, if any, did it have on  it?



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Can you be more specific? Do you have a picture of the real car you're researching? Ford T were used by a few Allied countries during the war, and depending on that, it may have been repainted from the original (civilian) black paint scheme, or applied some sort of insignia or numerals.
Scout car may have had some different body designs or converted locally. The RPM kit brings a design, and perhaps, if based on Palestine, these might have been some sort of light khaki...
HTH

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No, I don't have a photo of a full size scout car, just the box art.



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Maybe these would help?

https://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b469/JackM47/ModelTFordLtCarPtl0145-1.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39411748@N06/8151205278/sizes/k/in/photostream/

http://www.rarecarrelics.com/data/storage/attachments/9ff67b7467a4cc89170304be91e1f298.JPG

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWford.htm

 

If in Palestine... dust is fine!

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Those helped, but not much. I do appreciate them, though, as this helps put me in some sort of direction.



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"As it seems there was only one ever built, and it never left the UK"

Hi Rob, more then a few saw service in the middle east, two units can be seen here:

RAF Light Armed Car Patrol

Australian Light Car Patrol

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-- Edited by Ironsides on Wednesday 19th of June 2013 10:11:36 PM

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Not much help.
Well...

96799-medium-Toronto_Ford_Factory_crash_dupont_christie.jpeg



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Do you mean the British RPM one? As it seems there was only one ever built, and it never left the UK, at least in scout car form, and there only appears to be one photograph it is unlikely to be able to find a definite colour match, however i'd go with the standard colour for British lorries at the time

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Well, the kit has the RPM label, but it has Polish words printed on it. 

 

What was the standard color?



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Service colour. A bit like this:



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Which comes out looking like this



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What color would that be? A dark olive green? 



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maxmwill wrote:

Well, the kit has the RPM label, but it has Polish words printed on it.


 Good grief. Polish is not such a difficult language. I'm told even small children speak it in Poland.
If you're not a Polish child, you can try with this: http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT

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-- Edited by d_fernetti on Thursday 20th of June 2013 01:49:05 PM



-- Edited by d_fernetti on Thursday 20th of June 2013 01:52:14 PM

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Ironsides wrote:

 

"As it seems there was only one ever built, and it never left the UK"

Hi Rob, more then a few saw service in the middle east, two units can be seen here:

RAF Light Armed Car Patrol

Australian Light Car Patrol

Cheerssmile



-- Edited by Ironsides on Wednesday 19th of June 2013 10:11:36 PM


 

That's not the RPM version though, sadly - the RPM has a more home-built body which is copied from a photo of a Ford of I think 16 MMGS taken in England



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Maybe I didn't mention it, but there is no sheet of building instructions which would also include paint colors needed. The only building instructions are printed on the bottom of the box, and those are in the form of exploded views, with corresponding part numbers. Even if there were building instructions printed in Polish, I'd have no problem with that, as I can translate Polish.



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Hi Rob your quite right there are differences in the bodywork or should I say boxwork there, still cant be that difficult to modify...

judging by GWT pic I would say service colour is a dark chocolate brown... um sounds like PC10 to me.... several suggestions in this thread...

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234929247-best-paint-for-pc-10/

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It looks greener when I stand in front of it. The Dennis looks very green. Mind you, both lots of paint were matched with the Duxford Thorny which was matched to original green paint found on the chassis. I am sure there is a photo of that posted on here somewhere.

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Careful... PC10 is a doping formula for aircraft coverings. PC10 (Protective Coat #10) was made of Iron Oxide and Carbon black mix on a cellulose carrier. I think that this wouldn't be suitable to use on land vehicles, which most probably was an enamel of more or less similar colour. Which is fortunate, as PC10 was a formula that can vary quite a lot depending on manufacturers, formulation ratios and such.
If the Fords were modified on the field, it's rather acceptable to think that they were also repainted on the field, that is, without strict colour rules, but choosing a paint that would match the enviroment of the theatre of operations. On the middle east, I frankly doubt that painting a vehicle dark green would be such a good idea...

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So, in other words, I have to use my best guess, right?

The box art of the scout car model shows an olive drab kind of color. Would it be acceptable if I were to match the paint for the model with the box art?



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I for one would certainly not tell you that it was wrong.

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Ok. I realize that no one can actually tell me what to do, but I'd simply like to have a good enough idea as to have the final product reasonably scale. That's all.



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maxmwill wrote:

So, in other words, I have to use my best guess, right?


 In this case: yes.

Probably that's the very reason why the manufacturer chose to avoid stating an exact colour (I assume you didn't found any mention of it while translating the box text, right?).

If trying to depict a field-modded vehicle, I guess that it might be logical that the colour would try to match the enviroment first and perhaps in second instance, military regulations. Khaki, or greenish brown, are good subdued colours that might be fitting for a scout car.

If you are to model that prototype of the 16 MMGS, I'd opt for a greener version. Here are a couple of examples of vehicle colour from MMGS
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Of course, Murphy's Law dictates that as soon as the last coat of greenish paint is applied to your model, some reliable source would pop out and say that all WW1 Fords were painted light violet!



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The only words on the box are scout car. There is no mention of paint, nor even glue. A very basic kit. There aren't any clear pieces for lenses for the lights. The kit itself is nice, but very basic.



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I imagine that. I have the similar Ford T ambulance that surely shares some common parts. But given a little bit of work, it ends up looking nice!

BTW, I didn't painted my model like the box top. I just made an educated guess!



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Yeah, the model I have will take a bit of work, but that's the fun part, and what makes the hobby so enjoyable.

BTW, I wasn't quite sure as to how to makes the lights in the kit a bit closer in appearance to full size, but your pics gave me a better idea as to how to go about it.



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Glad to help.
I bored the solid parts and painted the holes with silver enamel. Once dry (very dry!) I added small drops of CA glue to build up a lens. If you add little by little it won't fog up. Add glue until you get a round surface up front. Be patient, it takes several coats.
I painted the "body" dome and lastly I added a drop of Future floor wax to the lens to make it even shinier. A final touch up on the edges with the dome body colour improves the edges of the front lens.



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Four of the lights are in two pieces each, the headlights being single piece each, and all the lights are little more than hollow shells.

The machine gun, however is interesting, because it is in seven pieces. 



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The gun seems to be a fluted-jacket Vickers gun. Some airplanes have them (Sopwiths, Nieuports) The parts from the Roden kits are rather nice, if you need to improve what's on the RPM kit.
The best, however, are these:
http://www.internetmodeler.com/artman/publish/aviation/Mini-World-1-72-Machine-Guns-Part-2.php
Vickers_Mk1__1_.jpg

(browse down the page to see the Vickers)
Take into account that this one is the aviation pattern, without handles and with the addition of an arming lever to the lock. Some modification is needed for a land-based vehicle.



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Well, I clicked on the link and looked around. I couldn't find a Vickers machine gun in 1/35.



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You can also check this, for inspiration:

http://www.scalemotorcars.com/content.php?r=305-Scratch-Built-Stock-Ford-Model-T-in-1-8-th-Scale

... and these are the headlights.

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Wow. One thing about the kit that I've noticed is that it doesn't have a hand crank. Were all Model Ts equipped with a hand crank, or did some of them have starter motors? If all were hand cranked, then I'll have to make a crank bar, which wouldn't be very difficult.



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Not at all. I made mine with a short lenght of bent copper wire. But I had to add to the lower area of the radiator the "U" support that wasn't included in the kit parts.

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Yeah, I'd have to add the support bracket, which could be made of thin plastic card.



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maxmwill, have you seen this article on Landships: http://www.landships.info/landships/model_articles.html?load=model_articles/RPM_1_72_Ford_T.html

It might help.



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Yes it does help. I never realized that the machine gun would need a hose hooked to it for cooling, along with a water tank. Also, I never would have guessed that the bed was comprised of wood strips, not a sheet of plywood. Thanks for the link.



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That Model T MMGS in 1/72 scale is nice. Where can I find documentation for this? I noticed that he painted on the side of the model something with a red background with white letters. 



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