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Major

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Hi all.

One more time I need help from the forum.

Working on the rear horns of my Emhar Mk IV I noticed that the brackets for towing hooks ( at least, I suppose they are ) are in different positions in different tanks.

The following pics will explain what I mean.

.Excellent_24.jpg

Flirt_II_5.jpg

Grit_4.jpg

Liberty_12.jpg

Lodestar_III_3.jpg

The pics are of Excellent, Flirt II, Grit, Liberty and Lodestar.

I´d like to build a model as correct as possible, so can anybody explain these differences ( field modifications? different producers? ) ?

Thanks Gents.

 

Luca.

 

 



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Major

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i was thinking and looking at the same a few days ago and could not find an answer i think it a manufacturer or a male or female version? (not much help)

Liberty,Grit ,Flirt II (Female)

Lodestar,Excellent (male)

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Legend

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Out of those, I would use whatever Lodestar III has.

If you can, take a look at what Deborah has, as she would be the least "messed about".



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Hi Gents.

Maarten, I considered that it could be a "gender" problem, too. On the other hand, the little I know is that both male and female were built on the same hullconfuse.

PDA, I agree with you, sure a right way of modelling is to reproduce THAT specific vehicle. In this case, of course, infos have to be as complete as possible. Thanks for Deborah, I'll try to take a look..

 

Luca.



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Were the towing hooks used just for wooden sledges, or were they used for other things?

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Captain Wain wrote:

Were the towing hooks used just for wooden sledges, or were they used for other things?


 These towing hooks were not used for wooden sledges. I have seen them used for towing in a captured enemy gun, and, I'm guessing, they were used to pull stranded tanks out of trouble (if they were floundering in mud, for example).

The wooden supply sledges were pulled by "top towers" - Mark IVs equipped with an attachment on the roof at the rear. The towing cables were attached there, so they did not foul the tracks as the tank maneuvered.



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Legend

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Lodestar III in Brussels is wrong! This was something that was identified by Dick Harley and I am grateful for him sharing it with me.

Essentially the outboard lugs are intended to be on the final drive pinions' bearing caps, and the inboard lugs are intended to be on the drive sprockets' bearing caps. However, during maintenance fitters sometimes reassembled them incorrectly and so you see some variation between different Mark IVs. Similar errors could also occur at the factory.

Dick provided more information on this but I'll stick at that because he deserves the credit for this discovery, not me.

As ever, when modelling, find one well photographed tank and copy what you see in the photos. Then you won't go wrong and you'll have the evidence to challenge anyone who says you have.

Gwyn

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I've always regarded them as recovery points and have seen them with heavy chain in place on the inner points ready for use. 



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Ahh fantastic thank you.

 

They were definitely used in the early stages of the war, Mark I tanks especially, before the unditching beam.



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Major

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Helen, Captain, thanks for your contribution.

Gwyn, You are competent as alwaysaww. Thanks to you, too. I'm going to simply improve the kit parts, without changing the arrangement of the hooks.

 

Luca.



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Weren't chains used to secure tanks on railway wagons? These lugs may have been intended primarily for that purpose.

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