Landships II

Some shots of the Cairo gun here (grounds of the Old Customs House):

www.waymarking.com/gallery/default.aspx

Wow - just noticed there are several stages of zoom available from the thumbnails.

I would dearly, dearly love a decent model of a 60 pounder in 1/76 or 1/72 in metal or resin let alone plastic. I used to live near the one in the UK (only aware of one here) at IWM London, but they don't have many exhibits anymore....

PDA wrote:

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I think if we want makers to make the models we want, we should provide them with as much detail as possible. Good detailed photos, plans with measurements on them, and so on.

Plus, the Landships article on the 60pdr isn't too impressive, so jazzing it up a bit wouldn't hurt.

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Are you volunteering to rewrite the article? I've got a 60 Pounder handbook scan in my hard drive heap (somewhere) with some good drawings. Regards, Charlie

PDA wrote:

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@Rectalgia, that waymarking is great, this is just the kind of detail I was looking for:

Now, I wonder who owns the photos and whether they would be willing to let us add them in the Landships article?

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 They might authorise public non-commercial use with proper attribution.  The terms of use - http://www.geocaching.com/about/termsofuse.aspx - seem to make it clear they deem themselves to "own" content (including images) submitted by others and accepted for inclusion on their site:3 D. The Rights You Grant Us to Your Content. By submitting content to our services, you grant Groundspeak a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully transferable and sublicensable right to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, and display such content in any media now known or created in the future. ...So that's Groundspeak, Inc. (all rights reserved) - http://www.groundspeak.com/

Makes things quite simple by the looks - an authoritative "Yes" or "No" on application, with clear and appropriate restrictions/conditions no doubt stipulated in the yes case.  A case could be made pointing out mutual benefit.

Have been toying with using the old William Britains naval gun as a starter.  Given sufficient photos, it shouldn't be too hard to make a reasonable facsimile . . . course this won't do if you want a scale model.

 

Bosun Al

@Charlie: 16 different wheels! Eek!

@Al: I like the look of the William Britains naval gun (4.7in) but cannot find it at a reasonable price on ebay. If I could, I think I'd leave it as a 4.7 because I like that gun as well. It's in the wrong scale/size for me, but Jacklex do one in something like 1/72 (haven't got it yet, so cannot say for definite if it goes with 1/72).

@28juni14: Yes please to the photos! That sounds like just the kind of detail that's missing from the article (they can be used in the article?). I had a look for a Legion Park in Ste Genevieve, MO, but I couldn't find it. I found a park in the north (Pere Marquette), a cemetery in the centre, and a large green space in the south. Do you have a more specific address that I might use on Google Street View?

@Rectalgia: I am afraid to say I still can't tell if we could use their photos; I seem to be speaking a different English! If you have found some sort of contact details, would you mind asking them if we can use their photos, please.

Thanks @all for the help so far.

PDA,  It would appear I misquoted the gun's location; it's not the American Legion, rather the VFW Hall in St. Geneivieve. ( The street address is:   852 Memorial Dr,) 

Sounds like you're not that far from me;  What city/town do you reside in?

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@Rectalgia: I am afraid to say I still can't tell if we could use their photos; I seem to be speaking a different English! If you have found some sort of contact details, would you mind asking them if we can use their photos, please.

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wayne wrote:

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"a worldwide, non-exclusive," ..."non-exclusive" seems to imply that others might also have similar rights.

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 Ah, I am afraid you are both right, I was wrong.  I skimmed too far into the TOS (and then misinterpreted it), the relevant bit (unless a premium member of the Groundspeak, Inc. services, including the Waymark website content) is

3 B. Others' Content and Products. Our services display content that does not belong to Groundspeak. Except as part our services, you may not use third party content from our services unless you have our permission, obtain the permission of the content owner or are otherwise permitted by law. Content available through our services that does not belong to Groundspeak is the sole responsibility of the person or entity that has made it available. We do not review content available through our services, although we may remove or refuse to display content that we reasonably believe violates our policies or applicable law. Third parties may provide products for use with our services, such as software or widgets and our website may include third party products and links to third party sites. To the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, we do not assume any responsibility or liability for any such third party websites, widgets, software, products or content (or for removal or any failure or delay in removing such content). Individual geocaches are owned by the person(s) who physically placed the geocache. Geocache listings published through our services are owned by the person who submitted the geocache listing for publication.

The "ownership" of a particular image for an outsider trying to find it would not be at all easy and the administrators warn they are only a small team when it comes to their core business so presumably not endowed to assist.  Taking images from the Waymark website requires the additional approval of Groundspeak, Inc. assuming the law in the Netherlands/EU (where Landships II is now hosted) protects intellectual property as I'm sure it does and if Internet regulation there supports enforcement (probably, as with most places, "in theory").  A veritable "buggers' muddle" as one of my old bosses would say (and he was one of the more couthful).  Afraid I'm not up to progressing the matter.

-- Edited by Rectalgia on Thursday 20th of November 2014 08:59:29 AM

Links for the other two manuals from SLV:

MKI, MKI**

http://search.slv.vic.gov.au/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=MAIN&reset_config=true&docId=SLV_VOYAGER220613

MKII, MKII*

http://search.slv.vic.gov.au/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=MAIN&reset_config=true&docId=SLV_VOYAGER220595