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Hello everybody!

Now I have а question about five imho chinese fortress guns, wich are situated in memorial area in Lushunkou district, PRC (38°50'5"N 121°16'46"E). What is a model of these guns? Are these ones really artillery pieces or some kind of mock up?

 

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There are two mock ups of "150 mm russian guns" in nearby lockation also. It represent а kind of artillery, operated by the Russian imperial army during Russo-Japanese war in the year 1904.



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Hello,

Have seen these before. I think they are all mock up guns.

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Yes, those are moch ups and not good ones. 

These are some images of Imperial Russian siege artillery from the 1905 Era, however, the photos were taken during WWI, after the pieces were captured, and put into German service:

http://lovettartillery.com/MAT_Russian_Artillery_107mm_M1877_Detail.htm

http://lovettartillery.com/MAT_Russian_Artillery_152mm_M1877_Detail.htm

http://lovettartillery.com/MAT_Imperial_Russian_152mm_M1904%20Cannon_Detail.html

and one Russian 107mm M1877 (42 Line Gun) in my collection, that I am rebuilding (the wheels are not correct in the photos with this link) :

http://lovettartillery.com/Russian_107mm.htm

Hope this is of interest

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Ralph Lovett

 

 

 

 

 



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kkfj1 wrote:

Hello,

Have seen these before. I think they are all mock up guns.

Ralph Lovett wrote:

Yes, those are moch ups and not good ones. 

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Thank you for your answers, kkfj1 & Ralph! Well, mock ups, mock ups...

But what about five rusty mock ups? Have they any original prototypes or these ones were just invented from the thin air?

 

P.S. I'm aware on Russian 107 mm & 152 mm M1877 guns.



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Don't know - never seen a gun like them.

There are some original Russian guns in Lushunkou, but mostly naval guns if I remember correctly. However there are some surviving Putilov M1900 in Taiwan - captured by Japanese during the war and reused to suppress local uprising there.



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kkfj1 wrote:

Don't know - never seen a gun like them.

There are some original Russian guns in Lushunkou, but mostly naval guns if I remember correctly. However there are some surviving Putilov M1900 in Taiwan - captured by Japanese during the war and reused to suppress local uprising there.


 Well! I see.

But what about China domestic artillery manufacture in the 2nd part of the 19th century? Had they any BL guns of their own pattern?

Nevetheless I hardly believe the guns were made especialiy for the memorial without any real prototype! smile



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China manufacture coastal and naval BL guns(and RML ones) in Kiangnan(Jiangnan) Arsenal in Shanghai following British pattern. The largest ones were BL 800pdr made in 1893. Some Kiangnan guns are still surviving, however mostly RML, the only surviving Kiangnan BL coastal gun is in Zhapu, Zhejiang Province.

BL field artllery were mostly made in Hanyang Arsenal in Hubei according to Gruson and possibly also Krupp pattern. Nanking(Nanjing/Jinling) Arsenal also manufactured rifled artillery pieces(I think mostly RML) as early as 1870s but late declined and lost its ability.

Generally they were all modelled after foreign pattern and their manufacture was often directed by foregin expert. China stopped making large coastal and naval guns after the revolution, but the ability to make field pieces took a leap forward as Chinese engineers took control and the introduction of Austrian, German, Japanese and British technology in 1920s and 1930s. Numerous unique patterns of guns were made in China during this period mostly designed by foreign advisors but some are designed by Chinese. After mid 1940s China finally had the ability to design and produce her indigenous artillery.

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Thank you, kkfj1!

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