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Peter T


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Al Mafrak / Palestina 1918

 

 

 

 

Polizei Abt. Weissenfels 1920

 

 

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I knew this rang a bell.

http://landships.activeboard.com/t27952741/armoured-lorry/

It's OK, Peter. I do it a lot nowadays.



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Hi James

Actually I just wanted to share the new pic with the community. I knew that I had postet them already once before, but I couldn't detect that thread again ...       Such things increase with age crycrycry

Thanks anyway!

 

 



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I think, this one is new ...wink

 Erhardt Panzerwagen [Ehrhardt-Werke Zella St. Blasii]



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Not really. It's on display in the Ehrhardt corner of the industrial museum in Zella St. Blasii. But from the code accompanying the picture I'd say the museum staff is not aware that the image has been 'borrowed' by some East European gentlemen.



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Wow, an armoured car with a tiled roof! Very nice...

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Here's the link to the museum.

I might be wrong, but looks as if the gents in picture 2 above are two Australian officers, a French officer, and an Arab, all very well dressed and apparently a long way from the battlefield. That would imply that the vehicle was captured at some point. If so, when and, in view of the smartness of the men, in what circumstances?

 



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Anyone else notice the different numbers on the Ottoman railcars. The number is above the centre MG position. The railcar

with the Central powers troops has the number "2" and the captured one "4". I don't what the Osmanli script says on the railcar

(but probably can find out). Might suggest there were a number of these railcars in Turkey and Palestine.

Syria 1918-19 comes to mind as a place where you would have found Australians, French and Arabs.

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-- Edited by CharlieC on Sunday 8th of November 2015 01:56:18 AM

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Smart work, Charles. My travails in Riyadh should have helped me there. The similarity between how the Arabs write 6 and we write 7* sometimes caused me to catch the wrong bus if I wasn't concentrating. The blurb on the museum site doesn't cover this aspect, but Syria is an excellent shout. Tally-ho!

* That requires careful explanation, because we call our numbers Arabic (i.e. not Roman) since we adopted them from Arabic. The numbers that the Arabs now use are not Arabic but, I was told, of Indian origin. Oh, and their 5 looks like our 0. And their 0 is a dot.



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Making the Arabic numbers explicit:

٠١٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

The origin of number symbols is complex but I've  seen it expressed that Western numbers are copied 

from West Arabic dialects and modern Arabic numbers are derived from East Arabic dialects. Both sets of number symbols have their roots in India.

Regards,

Charlie

 

Thinking about it - probably a shame we didn't stick to Roman numerals - there's something so definite and concrete about a number system you can chisel

in stone easily. There's no particular difficulty in using Roman numerals - Claude Shannon built a roman numeral calculator back in 1953 called "Throbac I"

 

 



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-- Edited by CharlieC on Sunday 8th of November 2015 11:47:33 AM

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Turkish-armoured-rail-car-1918.JPG

Hi all. Next photo.Yours.



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Here's the caption for Photo No. 2  

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/B02552/

 

 

Apologies to antipodean friends.

 

 

Kamo200's photo seems to have been taken in or near Amman.



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Oh dear - the AWM has been using work experience people to do its captions (again).

Best guess the railcar was captured at Mafraq - a railway station about halfway between Amman and Dera.

Having misidentified the railcar as a truck - the statement "Note the railway line under the truck"  sounds like

missing the bleeding obvious to me.

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Thanks James H.  French improvised armored train in Syria. Photo from: P.Malmassari "Les trains blindes 1826-1989"



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On the Damascus-Rayak railway line, during the Syria Druze revolt, acc to a source. Would love to know more about the vehicles, but can't find anything so far.



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Photos of Heigl. I would also like to know more, maybe in the future ..



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CharlieC wrote:

 

Making the Arabic numbers explicit:

٠١٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

 

 
I was very interested to see this post. Here is a WD truck licence plate from the same time

I always assumed that it might have been in Mespot, but could have been Palestine I presume?

Thanks

Tim

 



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Pz - Kopia.jpg             Next photo. Yours.



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I'm out.



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The inscription on the railcar translates as:

Hicaz demiryolu ( uloyrimed zaciH)
Hedjaz railway

Thanks to Tosun Saral on the Axis History forum.

Regards,

Charlie

 



-- Edited by CharlieC on Sunday 20th of December 2015 12:32:17 AM

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