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Occasionally the NARA image collection throws up something quite weird. Like the attached - said to have been taken in October 1917 and

is of a retreating Russian artillery piece alongside a British armoured car. The artillery piece is, I think, a 152mm Canet gun on an improvised carriage.

The towing vehicle is tracked - I thought Holt 75 for a while but I'm not sure now.

Comments, corrections?

Charlie



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According to Caterpillar Holt's recording 80 machines in all were delivered to Imperial Russia; 20 Holt-60 and 60 Holt-75. Tracks with add-on claws like in this case were frequently seen.



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Forgive ignorance but what is a Holt 60? 

Anyone got an ident on the armoured car in the image?

Charlie



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Looks as if it's smaller than the Holt 75. Was it an export only model?

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The Caterpillar Tractor Co. publication "50 Years on Tracks" of 1954 (more a venture in advertising than in providing clear data) claims Type 60 machines were running about in 1911 already. I'd say it was the precursor of the Type 75 (which probably was the answer of the Holt Company to the Best 75 Tracklayer of 1913). Holt Type 30 and 60 machines were prominent on the US domestic market in those years. And Leo Steiner of Budapest bought a Type 60 as his first tracked tractor in 1911 or 1912.



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Thanks for that. I know a little about the smaller artillery tractors and SPGs but not much about the agricultural tractors.

Was the Holt Type 30 a precursor to the Type 45 which was used by the US Army especially in Hawaii and, of course, by the French Army

as the "Baby Holt"?

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From the looks of the Type 30 in general and the driver's position I'd say: yes, precursor to the 45.



-- Edited by mad zeppelin on Wednesday 5th of January 2022 12:46:29 PM

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Looks like a Lanchester armoured car to me in the top pic.
There were quite a few of them sent to Russia in 1915

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