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The gun is a 30.5cm Beta i.R which weighed in at 24.5tons emplaced - add a couple of tons for the wheels under the end of the trail.

Anyone identify the tractors?

Charlie

 



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Hi Charlie,

The first one is a Lanz LB, also called Lanz Landbaumotor. I have to check the second one. Great pictures by the way! I have never seen these before.

With kind regards,

-Arie.



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Yandex found the images - they were awful and need a bit of fiddling with Gimp.

There are many images in Russian archives that we are unaware of - the language barrier and western search engines

 make them inaccessible.

I always thought the pre-Dicke Berta siege guns had to be dismantled to move them - Marc Romanych says in his monograph that

the 30.5cm Beta i.R was broken down into 3 loads. You would need exceptionally good ground conditions to be able to tow a 26 ton gun.

Charlie

 



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We are looking here at schwere Küstenmörser-Batterie No. 8, established in early 1915. They had 8 Lanz tractors, 1 Arator motor plough,  2 Podeus tractors, and 1 Kemna steam locomotive. The Lanz and Arator vehicles (seen in the two pictures) were three wheelers, the Podeus four wheelers. Arator and Podeus had winches.

The gun ought to be a Krupp 28-cm howitzer in wheeled mount. It was transported in four loads. But the assembly point - in most cases - was not the same as the firing position. Hence, the complete gun had to be moved - some thirty or forty metres - from assembly point to firing position, by tractor or by winch.



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Hi Gents,

Mad Zeppelin is right, this vehicle is indeed of the schwere Küstenmörser-Batterie No 8. On the enclosed picture you can see this painted on the side of the vehicle. Are you sure by the way that this is an Arator? I have no name for this vehicle, so you could be right, but I always thought the Arator was a 4 wheeled vehicle. Then again, Arator is a firm and it could have produced several types of vehicles. After all, Lanz also produced 4 wheeled vehicles like the LC, ZE and ZF.

With kind regards,

-Arie.



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Hi Gentlemen,

This is the vehicle I know to be an Arator.

With kind regards,

-Arie.



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The artillery tractor with the counterweights at the rear is a LANZ Landbaumotor B (Lanz Type LB). One will find that photo in excellent quality in my new book on the Artillerie-Zugmaschinen (Tankograd World War One Special N° 1014) spread out over pages 36-37. The other tractor with the steering station at the rear is a (let us name things properly here) STANDARD-MOTORPFLUG Arator three-wheeler agricultural tractor. Notably the Arator (later Arator I) agricultural tractors can be identified by exactly that driver's station at the rear and the pear-shaped covers on the left and right between the wheels. Delivered to the Imperial Army was at least one three-wheeler (as seen here) and at least one four-wheeler. Only the three-wheeler has the massive winch above the front wheel. The agricultural tractor four-wheeler Arator I was later used in the Fahrschule driver training school at Opladen. The other four-wheel Arator a little lower in the post and with the lettering across the radiator is indeed an Arator II Artillerie-Kraftzugmaschine 80 PS and was built by STANDARD-MOTORPFLUG based on late-1915 army requirements. Note the Arator-II-typical "saddle tank" on top of the engine compartment. The Arators are covered in my book in chapter 10.



-- Edited by Oberfeld on Monday 13th of November 2023 06:43:17 PM

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Hi Jochen,

I have already ordered the book and I very much look forward to receiving it! Thanks for your clarification on the Arators.

With kind regards,

-Arie.



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Hi all,

 

I think that the artillery pieces are not 30.5cm Beta i.R but 28cm Krupp L14 howitzer

 

Sturm78



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