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I was wondering if anyone could tell what the practical shooting differences between Hydro-Pneumatic recoil cannon and Hydro-Spring recoil cannon? Is there a 'harsher' recoil or recovery? Is one faster than the other? Is one more suitable for mounting on an armoured vehicle?



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Russian artillerymen in WW1 preferred the hydro-spring system because it was more reliable than the hydro-pneumatic system and

even if it did break (spring breakages weren't uncommon) the system could be fixed at local workshop level. The hydro-pneumatic system

required continuous and ongoing maintenance to keep it working properly. The Russians had the advantage of two 122mm howitzers of nearly

identical performance one from Schneider with hydro-pneumatic and the other from Krupp with hydro-spring.

Charlie



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Interesting discussion and subject. Were Krupp's weapons mainly hydro-spring by WW1?

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I think you are right - the only gun I can think of which had pneumatic recuperation was the 15cm sFH 13 and that was

a response to problems with recuperator spring breakages. 

Another aspect is the cost of production of hydro-pneumatic systems - these required very accurate machining else they didn't work.

There is somewhere on this forum a description of the machining steps the Singer Company used to produce the recoil systems

for the US built Mle 1897 field guns. I'd assert the machining and the cost of a hydro-spring system would have been a small fraction 

of the cost of the Mle 1897 hydro-pneumatic recoil/recuperator.

I'd also point out that the Mle 1897 is held up as an example of total recoil absorption and it was, under ideal conditions. Where the ground was water saturated,

even with the wheels locked, the gun would slither back anything up to a meter.

Charlie

 



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Thanks, great insights.

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One of the more approachable texts on recoil systems is the 1963 pamphlet produced by the US Army - Recoil Systems Design

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_AD0830281/mode/2up

Charlie

 



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From memory the Mle 1897 recoil piston was essentially put together in a craftsman process unlike the rest of the gun. The USA had immense problems machining the tolerances.

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Exactly so - the French machined the receiver to close to the final dimensions with the final fitting done by hand.

Apparently the reason the Singer  Co. was chosen for Mle 1897 receiver machining is that they had ahead start in accurate machining from their sewing

machine manufacture. It took many months of development work to produce a satisfactory Mle 1897 receiver in the US - the first US made guns weren't

completed until a few weeks before the Armistice.

Charlie



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