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Ralph Lovett


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I am looking for additional information about the Prussian Krupp 8cm C/1867 and C/1864/67 plus the export variant to the Ottoman Empire and Romania.  I have attached photos of two 8cm tubes with 1868 dates that appear to be very similar to the standard Prussian 8cm C/67, however, there are differences in the breech system. I think these are the export version for the Ottman Empire.  Any opinions? By the way, I am mainly using Dr. Stephen Summerfield's work "Franco-Prussian and Krupp Artillery" as a refence.  I know about the wooden carriages verses iron ones among the Romanian export types.   R/  Ralph Lovett



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The best information I can find about the Krupp guns of that era, is the document "Identification of the Parameters of Naval Artillery":

https://cherkasgu.net/images/our_stats/pdf/identification-of-the-parameters-of-naval-artillery.pdf

On pages 20-21 it describes the Kreiner breechblocks used by the C/64 guns.  However, I have noticed a few errors in that document (like on page 29 where it states Vavasseur invented copper driving bands in 1874, when he and Blakely actually patented them in 1866).  So some of what it says about the C/64 may also be erroneous.

The other source I can find on Prussian 1860s artillery is Volume 30 of The Engineer, from July 1870.  Specifically on pages 51-52 and 60, there is information on Prussian breech-loading artillery- though I think that is actually bronze artillery converted to breech-loading.  Still, they should be using the same Kreiner mechanism for the breech.  On page 121 there is also information on the older muzzle-loading heavy artillery of the Prussian army.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/rQDXqd46HugC?gbpv=1&bsq=prussian%20artillery

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015084712903&seq=84

(Hathitrust is slower to load but generally has better resolution in my experience)

Screenshot 2024-04-20 234821.png

This is one of the images on page 60.



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Thanks so much. This is a technical drawing I have never seen before. R/ Ralph

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I have just picked up an original Prussian 8cm C/67 carriage without wheels.  The cap squares and the wooden section between the cap squares are dated 1870 and marked to the Artillery Works at Spandau.   



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I now have the Prussian Krupp built 8cm breech loading barrel dated 1868.  Unfortunately, the trunnion diameter is larger than the cap square diameter on the Prussian 8cm C/1867 carriage I have.  So, I am now looking for the correct carriage.  The metal variation that was exported to the Ottoman Empire and Egypt is the type I would prefer.  I am also considering building a reproduction carriage.  Do any of you have access to an original that could be photographed and measured for a pattern?  This is what I am looking for ---see attached photos



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HI Ralph, this is out of my area but still:


de.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Pf%C3%BCnder-Feldkanone_C/67

Is that the same gun?
Here the Lafette of the C73, I know a bit later:
www.wikiwand.com/de/Feldartillerie-Material_C%2F73#Media/Datei:D._V._E._Nr._197,_9_cm_Lafette_73.png

Hope it helps a bit....



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Nuyt, The Prussian 8cm C/1867, in your Wiki article link, is the basis for the barrel I have. The variation I have is the export version of the Prussian 8cm C/67 that went to the Ottoman Empire, Romania, Egypt, and many others. The main difference is the rounded back of the breech block of the export gun verses the rectangular shape of the Prussian service gun's breech block. However, one other key difference is that the trunnions are larger on the export model verses the Prussian. This is another Wiki link, but it goes into some detail about the exports near the bottom of the article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64_(field_gun) I had also bought an original Prussian 8cm C/1867 carriage thinking it would work on this export variant. Sadley, because of the different trunnion sizes the Prussian carriage will not work for my gun barrel. I am hoping to find a good technical drawing to base a reproduction carriage on. However, photos and measurements would also work. There are multiple carriage types used with the export model. There were at least two types of metal carriage, and one wooden type that was known to be in Romanian service for the export 8cm C/67. This is a link to my web page on the barrel I have: 7,5cm Kanone 1881 (lovettartillery.com)  R/ Ralph



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