Landships II

Centurion · Legend

Another Carden Loyd one man question solved

Vilkata · Brigadier

Great job digging up information Centurion !!! I'm very pleased to know more about this vehicle.

The design seems utterly absurd. I can't possibly fathom how it could be used effectively in any sort of combat being as open as it is.

Still, it's another vehicle I can chock onto the "One Man AFVs" category! I certainly wouldnt call it a tank of any sorts, but it is armored, and armed, so it is certainly an AFV I think.

Thanks again for solving that mystery!

---Vil.

Centurion · Legend

The real Carden Loyd Light Tractor (a misnomer for it was effectively a 3 man mg carrier) had fold up/drop down steel sides creating a 3 sided box for the crew. Its possible that it was intended to fit these to the One Man Mg Carrier. This would have produced a vehicle in some ways like the original unturreted Carden Loyd One Man Tankette, full circle!

theburk · Captain

quite interesting, seems similar to a belgan (at least i think it was belgan) heavy machinegun carrying motorcycle i saw awhile ago, it was also of 1930s vintage, in this case the heavy machinegun (very heavy, something like 22 mm) would park, bracers would lower and it would begin fireing, and acctualy was used and may have stopped a couple of german tanks early in WWII. anyway,

as for tankettes, in 1925 the morris martel tankette was tested, it basicly looked like a half-track driving backwards, and had an armoured box in which 2 crewmen sat, then, what i imagine was its direct predicessor was the crossley martel one man tankette from 1927, both of these were beaten out by the carden-loyd now i would be very interested to see some of the tank designs between the medium mark C and the mark 1 medium, my source book (the encyclopedia of tanks and armored fighting vehicles) mentions in its mark 1 medium article "The Medium Mark 1 was the first tank designed after World War I to reach the production stage." implying that there was much experementation between 1918 and 1923

Vilkata · Brigadier

Theburk,

You may be interested to read the thread I started on the Vickers 1921.
http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=63528&p=3&topicID=8627742

As for British tanks build before the Medium Mk.I (Development started in 1922, Delivered in 1924), but after the end of WWI (1918), there were these vehicles:

Medium D - A big vehicle similar to the Medium B, and C. (Designed 1918, built 1920)
Medium D Modified (Also called the D*?) - Same, but modified.
Medium D** - Modified further to be amphibious. (1921)
Light Infantry Tank - Similar to the Medium D, but smaller and lighter. (1921)
Light Tropical Tank - Small 5.5 ton vehicle for colonial use, and twin MG turrets. 1921)
All of these tanks were designed by Lieutenant-Colonel Johnson, and all of them incorporated Johnsons Snake Tracks

And then there was the one design that wasn't by Johnson, the Vickers 1921. After that, Vickers would begin development of the Medium Mk.I with information gained from the two Vickers 1921 vehicles.

So there really wasn't a great deal of experimentation between 1918 and 1923... Only a handful of vehicles.

---Vil.

-- Edited by Vilkata at 07:14, 2006-10-28