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Roger Todd


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Okay okay, rather off-topic, but as I was browsing a wonderful site with hundreds of magazine covers (such as Electrical Experimenter, Popular Mechanics and the like), I found this, the September 1921 Science & Invention:



Familiar? Well, here's our host Peter Kempf's marvellous model of the Austro-Hungarian PKZ-2 of 1918:



http://www.landships.freeservers.com/pkz-2_model.htm


And a little more browsing uncovered this barmy gem, from Popular Science September 1922:



Which looks suspiciously like the Papin-Rouilly Gyroptere of 1914 onwards (a beautiful scratchbuilt model made by JC Charbonel):




Articles, in French, can be found here:


http://modelbox.free.fr/photoscopes/Papin_Phot/index.html


http://modelbox.free.fr/analyses/MS2002_10P/SCRH_Papin/index.html



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The PKZ-2 was actually one of the more sensible design of AH helicopter! There were others including one with multiple sets of rotors and gun turrets! Also free flight designs. Almost all shared the weird idea of having the rotors beneath the crew. At least in an observation balloon one was given a parachute and could bale out withiout being finely minced in the process. Its surprising given that KuK pilots were amongst the first to be issued with parachutes (and a KuK pilot was the first ever to succesfuly bale out during combat). These is a degree of doubt as to how far some of these designs got but at least some appear to have reached some stage of construction. When I can find a way to scan some pictures I will (they are in the book equivalent of a K Wagen)

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Centurion wrote:

The PKZ-2 was actually one of the more sensible design of AH helicopter!

That's as may be, but I still wouldn't go up in one!

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Sensible is relative!


I attach 2 other designs from Austro Hungarian Army Aircraft of WW 1 by Groz, Haddow & Schiemer, a book I cannort recommend too highly for any one interested in the subject - with one small caveat, subsequent research has revised some of the info on aircraft colour schemes and one should look at the approporiate copies of Windsock in conjunction with this book. The first of these designs was actually under construction but was destroyed in a fire. Note gun positions above and below the rotors. The free flight 'copter was claimed in some quarters to have flown but this is hightly doubtful. Other designs included a 2 man armed version of the PKZ-2. Unmanned flights of the original PKZ-2 are documented with photos. A manned flight was claimed but this is in doubt.



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Hello Centurion


     Do you have any other photo's of the two other AHH designs you posted. I have started a 1/35 scale scratchbuild of the PKZ-2, but I would also like to build the other two as well.


All the best


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I know of no photo of the free flight Balban Bloudek. Hesre is a photo of the four rotor Asboth under construction. Both were built at UFAG. Also the proposed 2 man version of the PKZ-2

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That Papin Rouilly Gyroptère is magnificently bizarre.

This may seem like a stupid question but, did it ever even get off the ground?

The thing looks more alien than any other craft I have ever seen.


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Vilkata wrote:

That Papin Rouilly Gyroptère is magnificently bizarre. This may seem like a stupid question but, did it ever even get off the ground?

Apparently not. It was overweight and underpowered. Probably just as well...

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Presumably it was inspired by the sycamour seed which it resembled

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I believe so.


Daft, really, seeing as sycamore seeds drift down...



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Drawings of mine of two more crazies - both of which actually flew - once! The first landed upside down. The 2nd was a result of Anthony Fokker overriding his chief designer. After the triplane Fokker had the basic idea three wings good five wings better. After taking it up for its only test flight Fokker had it put away and never mentioned it again!

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Centurion wrote:

After the triplane Fokker had the basic idea three wings good five wings better. After taking it up for its only test flight Fokker had it put away and never mentioned it again!


Silly Fokker...

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I have looked at the Papin-Rouilly occasionally in the past couple year's.Considering that it's flight functionality or mode resemble's at least two tree's on planet Earth,It should be of this world.(barring a "cosmic" deception).It would seem that "directional" control may not have been worked out with the Papin-Rouilly,tho the mean's should have followed logically in whatever form.
        I have developed a theory of my own,as a few other's apparently have,of little known "alien" influence's on our planet.I am fairly sure that astronaut's arrived and landed here around 6400 year's ago.Some code,egyptian architecture and other symbol's which shade into the mythical area but are of some significance,are the basis of my reasoning.(it would be nice if propeller aircraft carried a shroud ring on the prop and ten or so blade's.Thrust increase,and smoother air flow.Or a static shroud.It seem's the Flying Wing by Northrop was the only craft with such additional apparatus.)
       I mention the alien idea because some thing's have become so confounded that one can sometime's feel as tho he or she is of other worldly origin.(maybe it's trekitis)
       If you have any interest in U.F.O. origin's,other than apparent German creation's,drop me a line at 64kj4949b3a@sbcglobal.net.---"SKYTRAINZASTRON"--U.F.O.  Research---

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Hello everyone! Sorry if I am reviving an old topic, but more information on the Papin & Rouilly "Gyroptere" can be found at this topic at my web forum:


Plus lots more weird and little-known aircraft can be found there.

Enjoy, and see ya around!
-Stingray



-- Edited by Stingray on Saturday 15th of January 2011 05:49:41 AM

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