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I am enclosing an illustration of a Krupp 7,5cm L..13 mod. 1873 mountain gun sent by my old friend Arkady Kuznetsov and a couple of photos  of a Peruvian Krupp 75 mm L.13 mo. 1880 y another contact in Peru.. They are  virtually identical. Now compare the simple mount with that of a Krupp 75 mm L.13 mod. 1896 transferred by the Argentine to Bolivia directly from the manufacturer in 1900. Aside from the Maxin Nordenfely breech-block common to all Argentine Krupp 75 mm L.13 mod. 1896 and model 1898 mountain guns, the mount is also the same as that employed in the Argentine guns.

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Gunther

 

 

 



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Not surprising there are similarities with Krupp guns sold to Switzerland. See 7,5 cm Gebirgskanone 1877:
landships.activeboard.com/t56829249/swiss-mountain-artillery/

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Not susprising at all, all Krupp 75 mm L.13 mountain guns were similar, and excpt for a few improvements,they remained the same, even when it came to maximum range..

The Krupp 75 mm mod. 1895 mountain gun looks like the Krupp mod. 1895  sold to Spain and used by the Spanish forces in Cuba during the Spanish American war. (see below)

Also, details of the breech block of an Argentine Krupp 75 mm L.13 mod. 1898 I photographed at the, in Buenos Aires a few years ago.

By the way, your photos are far nicer than mine.

 Cheers

Gunther



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Brunner88 wrote:

By the way, your photos are far nicer than mine.

 

Thanks, I like photography and I invested quite a bit of time and money to acquire good equipment and learn how to use it

Massimo



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I am a pilot, and somehow I manage to  take nicer pictures of airplanes than of guns. Before INTERNET and all, I would take as many as 18-20 rolls of KODAK 36-exposures film for slides. Hence now I have a huge collection of slide  that by stages I am converting into paper-though I am advised to convert it into CD.. I bought the attached photos in a shopping concourse situated underneath h the "9 de Julio Avenie" in Buenos Aires some years ago.. They are one of two historical batteries maintained by the 1st Artillery Group ( a modern unit equipped with DGFM 1555 L.33 howitzers mod. 1977) but which is one of the Historic Units of the Argentine Amy- it also has a battery of horse drawn Bofors 75 mm L.40 field guns in pristine condition. The uniform is tha one worn during the War Against t Brazil (1825-1828)

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Gunther

 



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Gunther

 

I have a Krupp 7,5cm G.K.  L/13 that was an export to Chile in 1891.  There were identical mountain guns to this type also exported to the Ottoman Empire.  An example of one of these is on display with the Honorable Artillery Company in London. 

This is the web page link for my L/13:

http://www.lovettartillery.com/7.5cm_Gebirg_Kanone_L_13.html

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Thanks Ralph ! Nice photos!  My records show that Chile purchased 6  of those 75mm L.13s in  1879 and 32 more in 1890,. How did ts articular sample get to Britain/ I know that during the Boer War The Argentine ceeded some of Krupps to the UK while  Chile sold some of its Mausers to the Boers..Any clues?

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I have attached a few photos of the Ottoman 7,5cm G.K. L/13 in London.  This example was captured by members of the Honorable Artillery Company in the WW1 Era. It is displayed at the Armory of the Honorable Artillery Company. The example I own in the previous link was an import from Chile to the USA. 

Hope you enjoy the photos

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Thanks Ralph! Congratulations on your collections.! Two of my friends ,one of them in The Argentine, collect armored and soft-skinned vehicles, , but they are for the most part wrecks, which he rebuilds with a great deal of work and patience..

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Gunther

Thanks about the collection.  You may have seen in other post from this forum I have another Krupp 7,5cm export gun that I am restoring.  Its exact type is not known.  There is a very similar type that was exported to Holland.  I do not think these were in Argentinian service, but maybe you will recognize it:

 http://www.lovettartillery.com/7,5cm_Kanone_1881_Export_Gun.html

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Nice pics as ussual Ralph!. The Argentine army acquired a number of Krupp 7,5cm Mod. 1880 field as well as some 7,5 cm mountain guns, so did the Navy. Here is a photo I acquired at The Naval Historical Research Dept in Buenos aires a few years ago. It's the training ships ARA La Argentina , purchased in Austria in 1883. It had a couple of Krupp model 1880 field pieces as landing guns.

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Gunther

Thanks for the photo and information on the 7,5cm Kanone 1880 in Argentinian service.  Interesting that it could have been used as a naval landing gun. If you run across other photos of this piece please post them to the forum. 

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Ralph:
It was rather large for landing purposes, but the Navy also had at least a battery of Krupp 1880 L.13 mountain guns(among others). A friend of mine has some pics of a Krupp 7,5cm of the Argentine Army-preserved-let me send him a message.. The Chilean Navy operated a number of Armstrong 76,2mm L.40s (probably from old ships) as landing guns, even sold a couple to Paraguay in 1911..

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As requested, here's a photo of a Krupp mod. 1880 field gun preserved at San Carlos de Bariloche, , Rio Negro, in the Andes, Southern Argentina-a region which remids one of  Garmisch-Partenkirchen in the Bavarian Alps.

 



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Gunther          

Thanks for the additional photo of the Krupp 7,5cm M1880 in Argentinian service.  There are several differences in this field gun and the one I have.  The axel is mounted at the bottom of the carriage with my gun whereas the Argentinian 7,5cm has them mounted very far into the carriage.  I also notice that my gun has a plate mounted within the carriage between the axel and gun tube that the Argentinian gun does not have.  I am sure they are closely related designs, but not quite a match.  I also wonder if the wheels in the photo of the Argentinian gun are the original ones to Krupp manufacture or added later.  They have 14 spokes.  German Krupp wheels generally have 12 spokes, and the other surviving examples of the gun type I have are equipped with 12 spoke wheels.  Note, the wheels on my 7,5cm 1881, in the attached photos, are not correct.  They are US Archibald wheels temporarily used on the gun until I get correct 12 spoke ones.    

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Hi Ralph!

I've wondered about the wheels myself, my guts tells me that they were Argentine-made at some latter date. But I have no evidence to prove or disprove it. Unfortunately two of my contacts in the Argentine Army that could have given me a clue died recently, and a third, who was the Director of the Artillery Commission (A(a group of retired senor officers who published a magazine and research the history of the branch has Alzheimer's..

I have another pic of the mod. 1880  preserved at Bariloche-- will look for it

 

By the way the training ship "La Argentina" hadsome Krupp 76,5mm on naval mountings-I have a photo of that as well if you're interested/ Here's a pic of an Argentine Krupp 7,5cm L.24 mod. 1895 with the normal   12-spoke wheels.

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Gunther

 

 



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Hi Ralph!

My collections are still in a state of flux, as I 've finally managed to unpack the last boxes. There are some items missing still, but I was able to find a 3/4 rear view of the Argentine 7,5cm L.27 mod. 1880.
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A Krupp 7,5cm L.13 mountain gun photographed at the Muséo de Armas de la Nación in Buenos Aires some years ago.



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