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Hi Guys,
New member here.
I loved building WW1 tanks and planes as a kid. I just can't find the time to build them now. So I seem to just collect them with the hope to build them someday.
Anyway I was watching the TV and noticed a film of German A7V Sturmpanzerwagen is Nr 506 'Mephisto'. Notice the Lion insignia. Is this something new? 
Curt 





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Hi Curt and welcome to the forum,
The lion illustration was painted on after capture and depicted the British lion with its paw resting firmly on the A7V. This was in response to the illustration on the front plate of Mephistopheles carrying off a British Rhomboid. The lion remained on the A7V for some time, I think up until it was restored in the 1970's or 80's



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Hi Mark,
Thanks for the info and the welcome. smile
Is there a link around to the illustration on the front plate of Mephistopheles carrying off a British Rhomboid? That is really interesting.
Curt

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You are in luck, as The Mephisto is the ONLY surviving A7V in the whole world. If you go to this link, down towards the middle of the page, you will find photos of "Mephisto" as she looks today, including a close-up of the devil with the romboid!


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Ah yes thank you Peter.smile
Here it is....

 

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A  little history of 506 "Mephisto":

On April, 24, 1918 3 Abteilungen (Detachments?) of 2. Army attacked the area of Villers-Bretonneux,a Wood called Bois 'd Arquenne and the Village Cachy. This area  was held by British Troops. The Tank 506 was in the 2. Abt.(leaded by Oberleutnant [Lieutenant?] Uihlein), wich was parted in 2 groups. 506, 505 and 507 compose group 1. This 2.Abt. supportet the 4. Garde-Inf.-Div. while advancing against southern border of Villers-Bretonneux. At the beginnig of the attack the nozzles of 506 were gridlocked and the tank don't move. After canceling of this malfunction, 506 drove, but toppled over in a bomb crater.
Finally the area was taken. At night the counter attack of two Australien brigades began. 2 A7V stayed damaged on the battlefield (but behind German lines), 506 and 542 (group 3). The last one got stucked in the sand. A German demolition squad had order to destroy 542, but erroneously blowed up 506. As the frontline got back in Juli, the Australiens captured the tank. (542 was rescued.)

Some more pics:on the first foto the effect of the demolition charge is plain to see. The fence on the front is deformed and the two parts, the Australian puts his feet on, are the fuel cases. The other two show 506 in Queensland museum in Brisbane, Australia. The tank was restored in 1983.

(Source: Schneider, Wolfgang und Rainer Strasheim "Deutsche Kampfwagen im 1. Weltkrieg. Der A7V und die Anfänge deutscher Panzerentwicklung. (Waffenarsenal Band 112)" Friedberg: Podzun-Pallas Verlag, o.J.)


-- Edited by Paul at 19:14, 2007-06-06

-- Edited by Paul at 19:15, 2007-06-06

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The photos of the devil insignia shown on this site are of the insignia after the restoration Paul refers to. For some time an incorrect insignia was painted in its place. Photos of the insignia as it was originally painted are hard to come by, though there is one in the MAFVA's Tankette magazine, Volume 9 No 1 (Oct/Nov 1973). Having said that the restoration looks to have been very good indeed!

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I wonder if there is any signifigance in the fact that it appears not to be carrying a whole rhomboid tank but one side frame (as if ripped off)?

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The devil on mephisto was the second painting. Before him a skull was on the tank. The picture shows 501 (left) and 506 (right) in the bavarian "Armee-Kraftwagen-Park 20" on 21.03.1918. There he was overhauled. Before this reparation 506 served in the 1. Abteilung. You can see the chassis ready to be detached.

-- Edited by Paul at 19:49, 2007-06-07

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Centurion wrote:

I wonder if there is any signifigance in the fact that it appears not to be carrying a whole rhomboid tank but one side frame (as if ripped off)?



My highly (non-)expert opinion would be that it's merely a basic interpretation of a rhomboid-tank, a simplification.

Just like the little toy rhomboid-tank crawling between two hills of presents in Disney's "Santa's workshop" (I think it's called) short-movie.smile



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Hi All, I remember seeing a similar picture a while ago of this tank with the British lion but a much more distant view with various alliied troops standing about it and seem to remember that the explanation for the image was in response to a logo on another tank that was reversed ie tank crushing lion, although I have never seen this logo... any ideas

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Curious!!!??? When I did the last post ( taarrra) there was only the original pic from brooding soldier since then a number of other pics have popped up that I'm sure were not there before...........gremlins ?

In any case the pic I was refering to is the one with aussies standing around it posted by Paul...

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Yes, Ironsides, I thought so. But maybe we have Gremlins in here. Or maybe you have, like we say in German: "Tomaten auf den Augen".
But as far as I konw, there was no "chrushed lion." The aussies painted it on mephisto.

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A comparison of the two logos.

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Thanks for srhanig. What a pleasure to read!

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