Landships II

Peter Kempf · Field Marshal

RE: SKODA 38 cm M16 GUN

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · General

Thank You,Peter for your kind words!
is a scratchbuilt model, the gun barrel itself�is the only�wooden part, main structures are from plastic card and some minor bits like wheels are mastered in resin from a single original. The original inspiration is Your beatiful c-zug appeared in the a gallery, a model I really like to see. Roger and Dakk helped me a lot.
That is why I say this fine site provided me a lot of support.
I greatly appreciate that.
EDUARDO smile

Peter Kempf · Field Marshal

Eduardo!

You really should do masters for resin kits. I'm sure a lot of people would like to see this model as a kit!

Roger Todd · Legend

Flamin' heck, Eduardo, another masterpiece! Absolutely stunning - and I love the cat, great little touch! wink

Tim R · Hero

Eduardo

�� Absolutely Fabulous Job �I look forward to another of your masterpieces ..

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All the Best

Tim R

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · General

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Thank you to you all, colleagues for such kind words!

all the best, Eduardo smile

Eric · Colonel

Wonderful build !!!
You did an amazing job, congratulations.

All the very best

Kaiser · Lieutenant-Colonel

Very cool build, especially considering it's scratchbuilt! smile

Could you upload more pictures of the tractor?

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · General

Thank You both,(ERIC, Your gun carrier is stunning).-
Don�t want to take up much space in the Forum due to bandwidth limitations,
here two more.
Best Regards. smile

Mark Hansen · Legend

An excellent model, Eduardo. I thought for a minute there that you hadn't attached the rails to the sleepers but on closer examination, the�base plates are there. I knew you wouldn't miss a detail like that. Really well done.

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · General

Very Kind, Mark Hope in the future(not inmediately) with some luck I will continue the ww1 gun saga with a flak type gun.
Artillery is indeed an almost �forgotten subject to many scale model factories.
Best Regards, Eduardo

Lafettenheini · Colonel

Hy captain!
Verry well done ! i am building a� 42cm Gamma Ger�t by myself.
Material- Kruppsteel.� Size 1 :16.
if there is need on steel-milled canon-barrels- let me know
�I hate Plastiks!!!
Nevertheless my father was steel-man at Krupp-Works.

With friendly greetings
from the Ruhr-area
�Gerhard Heinrichs

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · General

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�� Then good luck on your project, and thanks you for your kind words.

�� Best Regards, Eduardo wink

Lafettenheini · Colonel

�Thanks alot for your quick response,
�� and sorry for the trouble with the damn E-Mail host of arcor.
�� Fortunely we�l correspond only here on the page .

�� Best Regards, Gerd

Roger Todd · Legend

Lafettenheini wrote:
i am building a� 42cm Gamma Ger�t by myself.
Material- Kruppsteel.� Size 1 :16.

Interesting, please tell us more! What plans are you using, or have you drawn up your own? And do you have anything on the 42cm M-Ger�t?

Lafettenheini wrote:
Nevertheless my father was steel-man at Krupp-Works.

Now, that's very interesting! Has he got any 'souvenirs' from that time? wink

Lafettenheini · Colonel

Wow- such a quick response i`ve never presumed.
I am dwawing plans myself from many photos out of special artillerie literaure of my own.
It`s very heavy. But i even built a Krupp -Monster canon from 1867 only at this way-ad-
to my asthonishing measurments vere even exact by mm !
I`ll try to hang in some pictures from it -if i manage my scanner.
Also from my 420 mm Gamma Project.

To the question of souvenirs from my father : 26 shells of russian missils in body-
which couldn�d be taken out chirugial !

But i have many pictures of grandpa from the first world war which even try to put in here
-interesting because he was artillerie-sergeant and made fotos from french beutegesch�tze

i try to put them in soon

so long
Gerd

Roger Todd · Legend

Lafettenheini wrote:
Wow- such a quick response i`ve never presumed ...But i even built a Krupp -Monster canon from 1867 only at this way-ad-
to my asthonishing measurments vere even exact by mm !

I'm very interested in heavy artillery, as are many others here!

Is the Krupp monster cannon the one shown at the Paris Exhibition in 1867? A couple of days ago, I started making a scale drawing of it; this is my progress so far:

It would be great if you could post a photo of your model!

Lafettenheini · Colonel

Exactly !
This gun i builded 15 years ago for a buddy at work ,but when it was finished he said
it was much too heavy for his vitrin. likely similar to Kaiser Wilhelm I, who said to Krupp-
too expensive -so it was given to him as a gift.
I have the book from Rudolf Lusar :Riesengesch�tze and schwere Brummer and another
very old one in which there are two drawings.
I try to put all i have about it on the computer - but it`s a little bit difficult.
It takes some time but I`ll do my best.

I`m back soon

Gerd

Roger Todd · Legend

Lafettenheini wrote:
This gun i builded 15 years ago for a buddy at work, but when it was finished he said it was much too heavy for his vitrin.

Marvellous! So did you keep it?

If you need any advice about posting images, either shout out on here, or have a look at Vilkata's guide:

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=63528&p=3&topicID=3750258

Good luck, and welcome aboard!

Lafettenheini · Colonel

�Naturelement monsieur- It stands on a table -which is strong enough hi hi hi�
�I have put together some pictures as I promised. Also the best modell-photo
�of my builded Krupp-Gun . Jou will see-its the only one in coulor
�Hope I manage the attach now
�
�Happy looking
�
�Gerd

Peter Kempf · Field Marshal

What a MONSTER! Nice work indeed!

Roger Todd · Legend

That is truly a magnificent model!

Lafettenheini · Colonel

Thank alot for the flowers,

I will ask my neighbour for making some good detail-photos of it.
have no digital-camera equipment - sorry.
Hope i can put in pictures fom the Gamma-Ger�t-project within a week or so
when i `ve taken together enough material which is free from copyrigt.
Construktion-drawings shall be done also in this time.

Bye for now

Gerd

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · General

� Gerd!
fine material You provided, the gun� You machined in metal is a beauty, I appreciate that since I have�started my profesional career as�a metal worker myself, more than two decades ago.(Still I have some scarfs on my hands...)
Working with metal using old machinery like lathes, files and forge elements is�nowadays an�almost forgotten art...
The naval l but land-based gun is a very interesting subject, I will appreciate You to mail me about this piece .
All the best, Eduardo

Lafettenheini · Colonel

Eduardo !
two decades ago ? This is exactly the age of my lathe ! I have just put some words on jour whitebord and a reply of your mail. Hope i manged sending . The web-technics are pretty
mysterius for me.
Yesterday i managed to order an old special book about the " Dicke Bertha and her brother
Gamma mortar " . When I`ve got it i hope there are some sensational news for the community ! Will inform all as soon as i can.

sincerely
Gerd

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · General

We look forward to see more on heavy arty!
It was delightfull to chat about the subject.
Please don�t abandon the forum. Here people are colleagues!
All the best.-
EDUARDO

Lafettenheini · Colonel

Abandon ? Never !
But i must tell you all that the " old book " i proudly announced
is the one from Waffen-Arsenal -Axel Turra- Die Dicke Bertha -
I didn`t know it better since I got an E-mail from Roger in which
he told me from this book. -And i thought i`ve found the stone
of knowledge.
Therefore is a little bit of hope - haven`t just dig out the box
with magazines of weapons from 35 years .
Will do it soon as i can .

so long
Gerd
P.S. There are also pictures of the gamma mortar on the sites of WaffenHQ.de

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · General

Gerd, any material we will find we�ll glad to share! Keep working so!
Sincerely, Eduardo

Lafettenheini · Colonel

Hello Eduardo !
Or shall i say by taking the time zone of shortenly settled down friends in Paraquay
" good afternoon "
I have struggled the whole evening with my scanner to put some -i hope ineresting
pictures from a great book of the Krupp -Dynastie . It`s very big and hard to handle
but i hope the result is enough for new sights of artillery build 10 miles away from me
in former times.
The marine-facturing ones are from Krupp- Gruson works,others from the shooting-range
of Meppen . Have a special look to the round -two guns armed tank turret with the
delegation of officials in front. It is how i recherched in the book of -Hans Mehl :
Schiffs und K�stenartellerie - the gun turret of RIO -and not as telled in the book
a shooting arrangement with ship artillery.
If there are questions about the pictures from the commuity- ask ask ask.
I will try to explain ever�thing.
Nevertheless i must tell , that in the main factoryhall where the great cannon barrels
where finished- is a disco today i have danced allready upon twenty years ago.
It was one of the only buildings which survived the bombs of the last world war.
Overviewing-pictures of the fabrication-area are too big for scanning but somehow
if there is need i will manage to do it anyway.

By for now and thanks for your regarding

Gerd

Roger Todd · Legend

Marvellous stuff, thank you Gerhard!

The fifth image, with the Kaiser's party in front of a twin turret (28 April 1892) looks like a 28cm turret from a Brandenburg class battleship (see below).

Lafettenheini · Colonel

Touche !
That comes from beeing too lazy going to the board and looking into Hans Mehls book.
here is the picture i`ve had in mind.
it has the whole turtle-form as we see- and the caliber was 305mm.
Today it is a national monument and a museum. But i think that is nothink new for you.

Bye for now -and have a bomb -free night

Gerd

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · General

One� great thing of this forum is the response I have found from the colleagues .
I dedicate to Roger Todd and Mr. Dakk from Axis History Foum the modest result of my effort, since they helped me a lot.
It depicts a 38cm Skoda about to be changed from steam-driven transportation to Electric-Zug mode.
All the best, Eduardo smile

Date: Jul 1, 2007

�Ah! a real fest of fine photos from both You gentlemen.� Roger, the 28cm turret from a Brandenburg class battleship...the single image�could be �an interesting dio subject... wink

�Gerd,you have been in the Alladin cave! For many time I have been interested in scratchbuilding�the Dicke Bertha �42 cm.Hope in the future we will talk about. smile

Best regards, EDUARDO MAMORETTI

Lafettenheini · Colonel

Here some better pictues of my modell of the Krupp-Great Gun from 1867

The modell mearurements are : 190 x80 x70 mm cal 11,5 mm (.45 )

It is not able to shoot !

Roger Todd · Legend

Magnificent, Gerhard, truly magnificent, thank you for posting these new images!

Lafettenheini · Colonel

Hello Eduardo and all the others of course!

Have picked up a good view on an Austro-Daimler C-Zug from 1915.
It is that artillery generator-waggon M16 often told here on board.
Didn`t even know if the pic does even exist so i put it on here.
I�m quite shure that the tranported barrel is from the Bertha -or am I wrong ?

sincerely
Gerd

Lafettenheini · Colonel

I was wrong !
This "train " was used for Scoda -mortars . It had nothing to do with the Bertha.

sorry -better i read before i write !

Gerd

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · General

Gerd,

Yes. the tube belongs to a Skoda gun. Nevertheles, the Krupp moster was indeed transported dissasembled by means of several carts.
A gun I would love to build.
Unfortunately I have never seen good drawings of this beast.
Eduardo

Lafettenheini · Colonel

Hi Eduardo ,
See we have the same problems ! I still poker with measurements of the Gamma mortar.
Have only the barrel lenght : 6720mm and grooved barrell measure 5323 mm-cal.420mm
With this 3 facts i must do the whole drawing. Impossible ? Not even. I have seven good
pictures out of separate angels -but what i am doing here ? Telling a magnificent
modelmaker how to construct models? Excuse me please.
Isn`t there any help from Kenneth Musgrave ?
Here a page from the book of Franz Kosar : The Heavy Guns of the World.
That are the only facts i have of the M-ger�t as Bertha was called right.
Don`t hit me but is the described way nothing for you ? When you take the pictures of
Landship and probably some of your own archive there must be enough fixpoints for
modelmaking i think.

Good luck
Gerd

Ironsides · Legend

Roger Todd wrote:

Marvellous stuff, thank you Gerhard!

The fifth image, with the Kaiser's party in front of a twin turret (28 April 1892) looks like a 28cm turret from a Brandenburg class battleship (see below).

Hi Not a Turret , but a Hooded barbette originally these replaced turrets and allowed the guns to be raised higher above the waterline which meant they were able to operate in rougher seas, imagine if you will an armoured tower with the guns on top , the adoption of mgs and small qf guns meant that some form of protection was required by the�crew hence the hood which is only small arms and splinter proof a direct hit would easily penetrate the armour.....

The rather large openings for the guns is not intended to extend range by elevating the guns, but so the breach block can be lowered below the armoured deck of the barbette for loading, this could usually only be done with the guns facing fore and aft which meant that the rate of fire was extremly slow as you had to rotate the guns from the�target position to the loading position......etc

later still turrets were combined with barbettes......

Cheers