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maxikasek


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What is a  russian AC?

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James H


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Is the one on the right a Minerva? If so, part of the Belgian Armoured Car Corps.

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That's problem, because Belgian Expedition Corps don't have Minerva (customs check lists in France name only three type AC: Peugeot 40 hps, Peugeot 18 hps and Mors).
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Sorry. You're quite right. I should have checked. It's almost certainly a Mors. Is the one on the left an Austin 1918 pattern?

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maxikasek wrote:

That's problem, because Belgian Expedition Corps don't have Minerva (customs check lists in France name only three type AC: Peugeot 40 hps, Peugeot 18 hps and "Mors"- that's last polish name).
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Mors is actually a French make of car. The firm had a subsiduary/licensee making cars in Belgium



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maxikasek


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Yes, Société Nouvelles des Automobiles Mors.

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The one on the left looks to me like an Austin first series.

The one on the right is definitely a Belgian, though my guess is one of the Peugeot types. Here's a few shots of the Belgians in Russia.

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Hmmmm, just realized that I didn't know that the Belgians painted skull & bones on their A/C's.....

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Michel Boer wrote:

Hmmmm, just realized that I didn't know that the Belgians painted skull & bones on their A/C's.....

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Possibly picked up from the Russians who seem happy to have painted it on almost anything!



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Michel Boer wrote:

The one on the left looks to me like an Austin first series.

The one on the right is definitely a Belgian, though my guess is one of the Peugeot types. Here's a few shots of the Belgians in Russia.

all the best,
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I still think the one on the right is a Mors. The Peugeot rear body comprised 3 panels, whereas the Mors was rounded like a Minerva. The gunshield is also more like the Mors's. The flap on the driver's door (they seem to have been right-hand drive) must be a modification. I might be wrong.

http://wio.ru/tank/for-rus.htm This shows various foreign a/cs in Russia, but the one captioned as a Peugeot looks like the Mors in B.T. White.


http://wio.ru/tank/ww1t/austin.htm This shows several types of Russian Austin - more than I knew there were. The Type 1918 is supposed to have never got to Russia, but there are lots here.

This picture (admittedly an artist's impression) seems to show a Peugeot with a French crew engaging Eastern European troops, and the caption mentions Serbia. The only explanation I can think of is that the opposition must be Bulgarian. Does that make sense?



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Propably this AC is Fiat-Omskij captured by Tchech Legion. Really it?

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Possible especially if Serbia is a mistype for Siberia

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This is Czech-Legion in Siberia, by town Penza 1918. Left is armored car Austin M III (3rd series), reight Austin Mk II (2nd series) with only one turrel. Two armored cars drive with train to repair.

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Thanks

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