Landships II

Hi Rob

Surely you mean Peerless not Pierce Arrow?

There is the armoured Autocar in Canada - Ottawa?

Tim

@Rob, great minds think alike! For some small time I have been making (with Ivan's excellent help) a list of all the surviving armoured cars (rather than wheeled AFVs, which I'm thinking would include the Thornycroft ack ack in Duxford?).

I wanted it to be as neat as Pierre's lists of Renault FT, M1917 & Great War tanks, but I have met two problems so far, one easy, one not so:

1. I can't write pdf documents. So I've done it in excel. Easy!

2. Where does one 'draw the line'? For instance, the three vehicles you name (it is a Peerless, by the way) are not from WWI.

For the second problem I decided arbitrarily on the period 1895 to 1925.

Did you have a similar period in mind?

@Ivan:  Hi. Are you saying Bush is a smelly goat? I think the shoe thrower was framed!

@Tim too: yes, the Autocar is in the Canadian War Museum, Ottawa.

@elbavaro: There is an sdkfz3 (or DZVR21) here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kefraya/3346443957/
is that in Munster?




-- Edited by philthydirtyanimal on Friday 10th of April 2009 01:25:51 AM

-- Edited by philthydirtyanimal on Friday 10th of April 2009 01:29:21 AM

Sorry, I do of course mean Peerless, not Pierce Arrow! I went for those three, despite being post-war, because they were First World War designs (at least the RR's were, and I think the body of the Peerless is very close if not identical to the Austin's)

I have read somewhere that it is a genuine Austin armoured body on a Peerless chassis. The Peerless chassis was longer than the Austin chassis and so it can be seen projecting out past the armoured body at the rear. I don't think it is a copy of Austin armour; it is the 'real thing'. They put it on Peerless chassis because, allegedly, the Austin chassis was weak and bent out of shape. The British Austins were different to the Russian Austins, as Ivan says, because the British armour plate was inferior to the Russian armour plate, so the Putilov (Poutiloff?) works completely rebuilt the bodies. But the Peerless chassis is longer than the Austin body by some two feet.

Changing the subject; there are at least two Rolls Royces in Ireland. 'Sliabh na mBan' in Curragh barracks, and 'Tom Keogh' in private ownership. (There are replicas too, but I've lost track of how many!). And there is 'Wedding Bells' in India.

Three Lancias: the Lancia in Italy is in Trieste. The Lancia found in Afghanistan was last seen in 'Camp Warehouse', Kabul, but has dropped off the radar. The current whereabouts of the Lancia found in Libya is anybody's guess.

There are at least 4 survivors in the USA.

-- Edited by philthydirtyanimal on Friday 10th of April 2009 03:19:30 PM

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-- Edited by philthydirtyanimal on Friday 10th of April 2009 03:31:25 PM

-- Edited by philthydirtyanimal on Friday 10th of April 2009 03:34:37 PM

All british Austins was projecting for Russian War-ministerium, 1, 2 and 3 Serie. $ Serie also, but there go not to Russia. Two turel stand horizontal (- -) by Russian Austin (Poutiloff) turrel stand diagonal (/), so was possible from two MG on one site to shooting.
Rebuilt was many Austin of 1st and some oh 2nd series by Izhorsky Work (Kolpino, near St. Petersburg). Also Austin-Poutilov was only first party (no more as 10 cars) built by Poutiloff work, the rest by Izhorsky work.

Here is a picture of a hall in Izhorsky work 1915 - Left is White-Mgebrovv, reiht is rebuilding of Austin 1st.

-- Edited by Ivan on Friday 10th of April 2009 11:51:07 PM

-- Edited by Ivan on Friday 10th of April 2009 11:52:03 PM

I believe the Rolls in the RAF Regt Museum is a replica from the Larry in Arabia movie. There is a surviving 1914 in the Indian Army tank museum. albeit not complete.

-- Edited by Nailcreek on Saturday 11th of April 2009 04:12:46 PM

And here is an armoured car in the grounds of the Kubinka museum:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/smallkaa/75934154/sizes/l/

philthydirtyanimal wrote:

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1. I can't write pdf documents. So I've done it in excel. Easy!

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You don't often actually 'write' pdf documents, you create them from documents prepared in other things. Acrobat itself is somewhat expensive, and you really only need it if you want to do fancy stuff wiv yer pdfs.  There are two options which are both zero-cost

1) Dowload something like Cute pdf or Primo pdf which install themselves as printers on your pc. You then create your document in something like Excel and then print it to a pdf file. Generally works fine

2) Download OpenOffice which is a free office suite, compatible with MS Word and Excel, and which can save files directly in pdf format.

Neither of these options will give you an editable pdf, but for turning other documents into pdfs for posting on websites, or emailing to people they're fine. If you want to update your document you just update it in Excel or whatever and then output a fresh pdf copy

(I'm only what my son calls a WW1 nerd for a hobby, I'm an IT nerd for a living)

 

Hello for all!

Especially for Ivan and Eugene.
I'm at home now and a'll write.

As far as I know, the AC at Kubinka is replica only. Real car displays at Artillery Museum at St Petersburg. Real car with unreal history.

In accordance with Communist's legend, Lenin made a speech from this AC when come back to Russia from the emigration. Wery nice? but Lenin come back at Russia at April 1917, and ACs of this type ware bilt not earlier then October 1017. Ivan can say more exactly.

-- Edited by Aleksandr on Wednesday 29th of April 2009 04:24:10 PM

Hi, Ivan!

Ïðèâåò, Ñëàâà!!

I have the book, published in 1994. It is photo album of displays of Kubinka Museum. The authors not show Austin, buit wrote that it is ÌÀÊÅÒ - model, mock-up. And I saw Austin in Artillery Museum in 2006 last time, and I think that it is real car.

And of course, second car is Fiat from Russian Army Museum. I forgot to write it.