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James H


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Ironsides started me thinking about this, and I'm surprised to see that there doesn't seem to be any discussion of Russian mortars on the Forum. The WWI Sourcebook doesn't even mention them.

Two types are shown here: http://www.thetankmaster.com/english/afv/rmortars.asp

The 58mm seems to be the one represented in the HäT Russian Heavy Weapons set. PSR describe it as French, although it's hard to find any French claims to it.

Enclosed is a (poor) pic showing 2 types, and another of a 95mm model, the Vasilevskii, courtesy of the Artillery/Engineers Museum in St. Petersburg.

I'm sure one of our Russian friends will have information to add. 

-- Edited by James H on Friday 28th of August 2009 01:41:06 PM

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Hi James the photo you have seems to be the same as in the osprey russian army 1914-18 , its described as a "Likhonin 47mm M1915", its looks pretty big to me much bigger then the hät version...
the second mortar is maybe a copy of a Lanz.....

The text mentions a Likhonin 58mm M1915 also, but you never know with ospreys this could simply be a typo, but perhaps this is the same 58mm as on tankmaster and appears to be homegrown..... the idea may loosely be based on the french 58mm, I have to admit to being caught out about by this...... as Id previously assumed it was one and the same and was at some point going to use the Hät models to equip my french troops...Damn

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-- Edited by Ironsides on Friday 28th of August 2009 03:18:19 PM

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Hi James,  heres a link to a finnish army site which shows a couple of surviving mortars ,  what looks a Lanz copy and something that looks more like a starter gun for a boat race......

http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MORTARS2.htm#91MM

These mortars appear to have been made in Finland by  "Kone ja Silta Oy" this seems to translate as "Bridge and Machinery Construction Company limited " the original name of this company prior to 1935 seems to be "Maskin-och  Aktiebolag Brobyggnads" established 1892 from two other firms and was based in Helsinki.

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kone-_ja_Siltarakennus

It seems they did a fair bit of work for the Russian Military prior to 1917....

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-- Edited by Ironsides on Sunday 30th of August 2009 08:10:58 AM

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Like a number of things the Russians don't get credit for their pre war work. Russian work on "small" mortars starts before the Russo-Japanese war. The Linhonin's are, as I recall (can't track the link at present), a continuation of successfull work done during the siege of Port Arthur (initially as a way of utilising naval shells).

Like work with the Masden LMG / Automatic Rifle, the work on Mortars continued on in the interwar years. At least some mortars (in what other armies would consider decent quantity) were supposed to be available in 1914. Now wether these were held in arsenals, issued or held in fortress stocks I can't find out.

The however is that the Russians are the only army to actually issue a light automatic weapon before WWI started, with the Masden being issued at 2 per cavalry squadron.

I am awaiting a couple of texts on the Russian before & during WWI so hopefully they will contain something.

Brennan 

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