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Does anyone have any information on the AC armoured car of 1915. AC is the racing car manufacturer from the UK.

I notice that Second City have created a model of this vehicle and I found one photo on a Russian site but nothing more.

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This is what's written in 'War Cars' - there's also a single photograph of it

Another War Office-inspired armoured car was the AC, which was a complete contrast to the bus (the previous paragraph mentioned the armoured B type bus). Built by Autocarriers Ltd. of Thames Ditton, Surrey, the AC was one of a range of light motorcars that were gaining popularity at the time. It was powered by an 1100cc Fivet engine driving through a three speed gearbox built into the rear axle. Curved armoured doors shielded the radiator and the fighting compartment consisted of a large circular shield with a single machine gun port, resting on top of the hull. This gave the car a particularly top-heavy look and, despite the fact that the suspension had been almost totally rebuilt to cope with the weight, it seems that the chassis was altogether too light to carry the load. Photographs show the car with as many as five men on board although a crew of three would appear to have been more than enough. It was tested at Aldershot and presumably rejected, since no more was heard of it

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Thanks Rob. Must admit it looks like a small car with a paddling pool attached to the roof!

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Probably your best bet is to get hold of "Wheels & Tracks" magazine #49 - it has a write up on the AC a/c, so to speak, including some good around photographs.



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Thanks, I'll try that. Regards Clive

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Second City (who now market the old Faust Studios range) list it as the AEC, which it isn't. AEC (Associated Equipment Company) made the B-Type Bus.

There's a write-up in B.T. White that I shall type out if you really, really want me to. The company still exists, in a way http://wikimapia.org/2461581/Site-of-the-office-of-AC-Cars-Ltd

Extract from White: The firm now known (1970) as A.C. Cars Ltd., of Thames Ditton, Surrey, has the distinction of being one of the very few companies to provide fighting vehicles to the British Army before WWI. These were half a dozen or so of the little "Autocarrier" single cylinder three-wheeled delivery vehicles which were fitted with special bodywork to carry either a Maxim mg with 3 crew or mg ammunition and 2 crew. They were used by a Territorial cyclist battalion on manoeuvres in 1910 and later, and seem to have performed well.

It seems that the Army then ordered one light armoured car for experimental purposes a few months after the outbreak of war. This time A.C. offered a 4-wheel chassis that had been used for a prototype 2-seater car in 1913. The rest is as Rob describes.



-- Edited by James H on Tuesday 12th of January 2010 02:06:48 AM

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Hi James, thanks for your help. Much appreciated. Clive

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If you're wanting to make a model of it, the RPM Ford model T kit chassis', as depicted in the actual model, look extremely similar if not identical to the AC armoured car chassis

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This gets more and more interesting. The Autocarrier delivery van was a three-wheeler with the single wheel at the front (Pic 1). The vehicle used by the Army was, it seems, the A.C. Sociable, with the single wheel at the rear. How fascinating. Haven't found any pics of it in military use. It would be a nice little model.

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That's not quite right, James.  Both the car and van had the single driving wheel at the rear.

From memory, they don't have reverse gear, so the driver has to a bit of manual shunting if he wants to do a 3-point turn.

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I do beg your pardon. You're quite right. I thought that in the left-hand pic the body was behind the driver, but now I can see the driver's seat. I stand corrected.

The good news is that there's more info here
 
http://1914warrick.wordpress.com/john-warrick-co-ltd/ 

and a small pic of the military version here

http://www.acheritage.co.uk/ACCarsitsHistory.html

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Thank you for your posts gentlemen - most enlightening. C

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You're more than welcome. A mildly interesting footnote from Ellis & Bishop:

The 25th Cyclist Battalion hired a Foden Steam Lorry to accompany them on the summer manoeuvres of 1912, in which the ACs presumably also took part. It was used to carry the bicycles and kit over long distances. Pic enclosed.

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sorry should have searched
before my post AC1915

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If it's of interest I can scan in the pic or two there is of the Military AC's in War Cars.

By 25th Cyclist Battalion London Regiment, is it referring to the Royal Fusiliers? When a battalion is described as the 'Londons' it can be one of many Regiments - not just the RF but also Surrey Rifles, Queens etc

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Ah. Yes, it is complicated. I've had a google and this came up: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=0h&oq=25th&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADFA_enGB335GB336&q=25th+cyclist+battalion+london+regiment

If you click on Cached on the top result -The London Regiment in 1914-1918 - it highlights the various units. I can't say I fully understand it yet.

Well, fancy that. This site
http://www.25thlondon.com/photos-misc.htm reveals a further photo of the AC. There's probably more hidden away amongst all the references.


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I was at the National Motorcycle Museum on Sunday, where the preserved 'Everards' AC is based - wish i'd remembered to get some more photographs of it!

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Interesting converted car here

http://www.25thlondon.com/photos-misc5.htm

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