Landships II

Date: Aug 9, 2005

Strange Armored Car.

Date: Aug 10, 2005

Looks like the Russian Mgebrov, which Commander Models make as a 1/35 kit:

There were several variants, single and twin turreted:

http://www.thetankmaster.com/ENGLISH/AFV/acs02r.asp

Check out this (Russian) page, packed with drawings:

http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWI/mgebrov/mgebrov.htm

Including:

Date: Aug 10, 2005

That is really cool!

Also... Maybe its just me... But doesn't this vehicle bear a striking resemblance to the modern day Cadillac Gage Scout armored car??? The resemblance is uncanny.

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Date: Aug 10, 2005

The caption in Russian reads

"armoured car of field commander Mgebrov on a renault chassis - one of the first armoured cars with a rational armoring ?scheme? "

any way my russian is not too great but I am pretty sure thas what it says, and the commander model kit is a good one if you want to pick it up.

Date: Aug 12, 2005

This is Russian armored car, projected by staff-captain Mgerbrov. Russia order some AC Renault (Renault-box), but was found, that it's armor is not enough. And Mgebrov made new scheme of armoring. It was two tipes of AC Mgebrow-Renault - with one big or two small turrets. In accordance with this scheme was armored 11 Renaults, 1 Bents, 1 Izotta-Frascini, 1 Pierce-Arrow, 1 White, 1 Russo-Balt (Russian car).

I beg your pardon for my mistakes, especially in the car's names. I am russian modeller (my scale 1:35), and study your site with big interest. I'll try to make some information about VEZDEKHOD, but litlle later

Date: Aug 12, 2005

Welcome to the board, and thanks for the information! Don't worry about your English - it's a thousand times better than my Russian.

I think I speak on behalf of everyone in saying that any new information you can provide about the Vezdekhod is most eagerly awaited.

Date: Aug 12, 2005

I will post a picture of the armored car being captured by the Germans but right now, the inside of a russian armoured car not the Mgerbrov but still gives you the idea of the inside

Date: Aug 14, 2005

Photo of the mgerbov armored car being captured by the Germans

Date: Aug 14, 2005

take two on the photo

Date: Aug 15, 2005

First photo - AC Austin, 1st tipe, was build i UK for Russia.
Unluckly, my comp not open 2nd ahd 3rd photos from Eugene

Date: Aug 15, 2005

Neither can I Aleksandr. Not sure why either...

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Mark Hansen · Legend

The Russian Mgebrov armoured car is also available as a 1/43 scale paper model at this site http://www.webhobby.ru/. The files download from the site very slowly. It's in pdf format so with a print resizing, you should be able to print it out in 1/72 scale (Not sure what ratio you would need). Haven't made it yet but it looks fairly straightforward and you can't argue with the price!

Mark Hansen · Legend

It appears that the original site I gave is off the air. Try this one instead http://www.allfrompaper.narod.ru. May this one last longer than the last!

BTW, it contains parts for both single and double turret version.

-- Edited by Mark Hansen at 07:27, 2006-01-10

-- Edited by Mark Hansen at 07:28, 2006-01-10

Roger Todd · Legend

Ooh, lovely stuff Mark!

What is it about Russian sites that they're so bum-numbingly slow? Are they using Babbage engines, or something? It really is a case of, 'I've clicked that link, just time to make a cup of tea...' 'Ooh, this looks like an interesting link. Ah, my tea's gone cold...' 'Hm, intriguing, another link...' *click* 'Better run a bath....' 'Well, that was good, here's one more...' *click* *dies of old age*

Centurion · Legend

Roger Todd wrote:

Ooh, lovely stuff Mark! What is it about Russian sites that they're so bum-numbingly slow? Are they using Babbage engines, or something? It really is a case of, 'I've clicked that link, just time to make a cup of tea...' 'Ooh, this looks like an interesting link. Ah, my tea's gone cold...' 'Hm, intriguing, another link...' *click* 'Better run a bath....' 'Well, that was good, here's one more...' *click* *dies of old age*

In Harry Harrisons original version of "A Transatlantic Tunnel Hurrah" (a tongue in cheek alternative history novel where Washington lost at Yorktown and in 1980 America was still part of the British Empire) IBM stood for Imperial Babbage Machine company (but, I believe, IBM has no sense of humour but heavy lawyers and the reference was removed in later editions). Perhaps some of these machines have passed across some sort of worm hole and are driving the Russian Web (and, glorious thought, somewhere and when the Czars Imperial Tank Squadron are driving big wheels around)

Roger Todd · Legend

Hey Robert, I've read that, but because mine was a later edition, the Imperial Babbage Machine wasn't in it - thanks for that, it's tickled me pink!

At the risk of going OT, have you read Gibson & Sterling's 'The Difference Engine'?

One of Michael Moorcock's books, 'The Entropy Tango', has many shenanigans going on in various alternate histories, including a 20th century post-Revolutionary America with marauding Russian Reds and anarchists in armoured cars - no Big Wheels, sadly, but the Golden Gate Bridge gets blown up...

Centurion · Legend

Roger Todd wrote:

Hey Robert, I've read that, but because mine was a later edition, the Imperial Babbage Machine wasn't in it - thanks for that, it's tickled me pink! At the risk of going OT, have you read Gibson & Sterling's 'The Difference Engine'? One of Michael Moorcock's books, 'The Entropy Tango', has many shenanigans going on in various alternate histories, including a 20th century post-Revolutionary America with marauding Russian Reds and anarchists in armoured cars - no Big Wheels, sadly, but the Golden Gate Bridge gets blown up...

Yes I've read it. A last OT and irrelevant item - try the The Two Georges (Richard Drefus - the actor johnny - and Harry Turtledove). A what if the American Revolution never happened novel. Starts off with the assasination of 'Honest Richard Nixon' the largest used (steam) car dealer in North America (by a hidden sniper), a Fenian Bostonian called Jack Kennedy being involved somewhere and his Majesty's viceroy in the capital (Victoria) is a certain Martin L King.

Mark Hansen · Legend

Mark Hansen wrote:

It appears that the original site I gave is off the air. Try this one instead http://www.allfrompaper.narod.ru. May this one last longer than the last!BTW, it contains parts for both single and double turret version.-- Edited by Mark Hansen at 07:27, 2006-01-10 -- Edited by Mark Hansen at 07:28, 2006-01-10

*Sigh* I knew it was too good to be true. The model at the second site isn't the same as the original. It appears to make a third model of the Mgebrov. This also has twin turrets. As far as instructions go, I have no idea of the intended assembly sequence. Maybe one of our Russian speakers could try translating them.

Stoyan · Sergeant

Mark
What it is necessary for you to translate?
I, unfortunately, badly understand this discussion, but in AC Mgebrov I understand a little.

Those drawings AC Mgebrov that are on this page from a site
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWI/mgebrov/mgebrov.htm
Do not suit anywhere.
Mainly the turret is an imagination of authors incorrectly represented it on the basis of a photo which has placed here Vilkata.

Here the drawing with a correct turret
http://rapidshare.de/files/7945399/mgebroff.pdf.html

Also existed still AC Mgebrov with two small turrets

I helped the owner of a site
http://allfrompaper.narod.ru/
with development of corrected variant AC Mgebrov
And though we not in all questions send to the consent its model the best.

Mark Hansen · Legend

Hi Stoyan,

What I mostly need to know is how to assemble the turrets. I see how most of it fits together but I don't see how parts 47 to 51 all go together. The rest of the vehicle I have assembled, except the wheels. The seperate hinges and other detail parts are a really good feature.

Mark Hansen · Legend

I've had another look at the diagrams and I think I see how it all works. Just one more question: The diagram at http://rapidshare.de/files/7945399/mgebroff.pdf.html shows a hatch on top of the cupola above the machine guns that is not on the model. Is this a variant or is it going to be added to the model later?

Thanks for any help you can give me, Stoyan.

Stoyan · Sergeant

The hatch at top commander cupola is only on turret Armored Car Mgebrov Izotta-Fraschini.
Turrets AC Renault-Mgebrov by photos of this hatch had no.

The author of the drawing has represented the hatch "just in case":)