Landships II

d_fernetti · Hero

New Roden 1914 pattern Rolls Royce Armoured car

PDA · Legend

I was a bit cautious of your phrase, "In the right scale". But it is 1/72, so that is fantastic news!

Hughbearson · General

YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!
Don't Matador do one, or is that the 1920 version?

d_fernetti · Hero

Now a friend tells me that the scale quoted on their website could be a typo, being the moulds made for the 1/35 version... We only have to hope...

Hughbearson · General

Id be surprised that a website which has no spelling errors, could mistake 3 with 7 and 5 with 2, but lets be wearey...

PDA · Legend

Hughbearson wrote:

YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!
Don't Matador do one, or is that the 1920 version?

Currently the only 1/72 scale Rolls Royce 1914 pattern armoured car kits are made by Solfig. See this mini review by Rob:
http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=63528&p=3&topicID=33416988

If this is not a typo then this will be the first plastic kit in 1/72 of this amazing AFV.

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Mark Hansen · Legend

I hate to be a party pooper but I think you'll find it's a typo. Look at the kit number they've allocated to it. It's in the 800 series which is their 1:48 range. 801 and 802 were the 1920 patterns. (P.P.S. Actually the 800 series is their 1:35 range)

P.S. I'm just happy�that there is a new plastic kit of a WWI subject.

-- Edited by Mark Hansen on Wednesday 6th of October 2010 09:45:22 PM

-- Edited by Mark Hansen on Thursday 7th of October 2010 12:13:25 AM

MTorrent · Lieutenant-Colonel

This is good news!

Rolls-Royce AC is something that looks Rolls-Royce eventhough it is armoured car... My favourite.

It seems that finally the plastic kit manufacturers are beginning to realize that world is already full of Sd.Kfzs, and become finding other subjects.

Well, who will be the first to realize that Schneider CA 1 and St. Chamond should be done in plastic?

RCD · Lieutenant-Colonel

MTorrent wrote:

This is good news!

Rolls-Royce AC is something that looks Rolls-Royce eventhough it is armoured car... My favourite.

It seems that finally the plastic kit manufacturers are beginning to realize that world is already full of Sd.Kfzs, and become finding other subjects.

Well, who will be the first to realize that Schneider CA 1 and St. Chamond should be done in plastic?

One hopes you are correct but all the leading plastic kit and figure manufactures seem to think that only the nazi and soviet are the only things that sell.��You can get models of almost all the paper projects the nazis ever made but sod all WW1. Just how many more types of T34 can they think up! The problem is that nazi/soviet sells well�with all those 'Rose coloured glasses' types.

I feel that we will have to wait a long time�before even british WW2 tanks appear before they turn to WW1.

Rob · Legend

Brilliaaaaaant! Don't care what scale, a plastic WW1 British armoured car, yippee!

Hughbearson · General

RCD wrote:

One hopes you are correct but all the leading plastic kit and figure manufactures seem to think that only the nazi and soviet are the only things that sell.��You can get models of almost all the paper projects the nazis ever made but sod all WW1. Just how many more types of T34 can they think up! The problem is that nazi/soviet sells well�with all those 'Rose coloured glasses' types.

I feel that we will have to wait a long time�before even british WW2 tanks appear before they turn to WW1.

We can't forget the aftermarket onslaught on fancy/pointless, ultra-high-quality/ridiculously expensive, high-detail/correctable with styrene, photo-etch/resin things that are churned out by those central European companies, which have endless add-ons for the never-done-before Tiger, Royal Tiger, Panzer V, Panzer IV, T-34, Sherman etc.
Lets hope that one day, they will run out of things to make and move onto WWI.
Or, we could lie to them, and say that EVERY SINGLE�WWI vehicle was used by the Germans in WWII? Does that interest us?

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MTorrent · Lieutenant-Colonel

Yes, that is a great idea!

I am hoping that the interest to WW I will rise when it comes 100 years from the beginning of it.

In aeroplanes WW I situation is much better now than before. I am hoping that same thing will happen to landships also, in the near future.

To strenghten this, we should tell that there are millions of hobbyists waiting new WW I stuff, with their pockets full of money...

Date: Oct 7, 2010

Hughbearson wrote:

RCD wrote:

One hopes you are correct but all the leading plastic kit and figure manufactures seem to think that only the nazi and soviet are the only things that sell.��You can get models of almost all the paper projects the nazis ever made but sod all WW1. Just how many more types of T34 can they think up! The problem is that nazi/soviet sells well�with all those 'Rose coloured glasses' types.

I feel that we will have to wait a long time�before even british WW2 tanks appear before they turn to WW1.

We can't forget the aftermarket onslaught on fancy/pointless, ultra-high-quality/ridiculously expensive, high-detail/correctable with styrene, photo-etch/resin things that are churned out by those central European companies, which have endless add-ons for the never-done-before Tiger, Royal Tiger, Panzer V, Panzer IV, T-34, Sherman etc.
Lets hope that one day, they will run out of things to make and move onto WWI.
Or, we could lie to them, and say that EVERY SINGLE�WWI vehicle was used by the Germans in WWII? Does that interest us?
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i know you were tongue in cheek but look at the Emhar 1/72 offering.�Both the British mkIVs had equal numbers of British and German transfers! The Whippet if I remember also had one German set and the Germans never even used it operational. The manufactures seem to think we all need our 'German' fix' come what may. SAD!

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RCD · Lieutenant-Colonel

MTorrent wrote:

Yes, that is a great idea!

I am hoping that the interest to WW I will rise when it comes 100 years from the beginning of it.

In aeroplanes WW I situation is much better now than before. I am hoping that same thing will happen to landships also, in the near future.

To strenghten this, we should tell that there are millions of hobbyists waiting new WW I stuff, with their pockets full of money...

Great news about the RR - never understood that such an appealling model has been ignored for so long by the leading companies.

Yes WW1 aircraft have taken off in a big way and look really good,�although the 'big boys ' are still churning out the same old Me109, Fw190s�and have yet to start producing serious WW1 aircraft

What really bugs me is that Emhar who produce a few WW1 tanks seem to think that there should be parity between British and German decals. Lets face it there were no more than around 40 captured mkIv used compared to the 400 odd British users. Why therefore was it necessary to have so many Germal decals!
As for the Whippet was it actually used by the Germans?

I�expected that a model of the uselessGerman mobile pillbox (approx 20 built) was bound to be made but you can get it from several variations- while the most important ww1 heavy tank is totally ignored in 1/72

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PDA · Legend

I do feel the same frustration. And I have tried those same tactics. And I'm sure I wasn't the first or the last to take that tack. But...

Let's be happy for a little while about this announcement of a new WW1 AFV kit in plastic.

I doubt there will ever be a 'tipping point' or a sudden avalanche of WW1 kits. I think it is likely to be a slow "drip, drip, drip," of new kits as slowly, ever-so-painfully-slowly, WW1�AFV model-making gains wider appeal. I think Games Workshop did us a favour with their Great War rules, and I think these rare new kits are also a�real boon.

Pat · Commander in Chief

RCD wrote:

What really bugs me is that Emhar who produce a few WW1 tanks seem to think that there should be parity between British and German decals. Lets face it there were no more than around 40 captured mkIv used compared to the 400 odd British users. Why therefore was it necessary to have so many Germal decals!
As for the Whippet was it actually used by the Germans?

I�expected that a model of the uselessGerman mobile pillbox (approx 20 built) was bound to be made but you can get it from several variations- while the most important ww1 heavy tank is totally ignored in 1/72

I feel your pain, but to be totally honest if it helps selling Allied tanks, why not putting some German decals in as well! Airfix usually gave us one markings option, Matchbox two, today's leading producers the odd three or so, so Emhar's eight Whippet marking options are extremely generous. Throw away the German option and you still have seven!

According to Wikipedia, the Germans captured less than 15 Whippets and only one was used in combat - after the War. A picture of that one was linked here:

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=63528&p=3&topicID=38252701

Regards, Pat

plastic fan · General

If it is done in 1/72 then I will be buying at leas a couple. I have seen the 1/35 version and it is a beauty.

Rob · Legend

Checked the Roden website today, it's down for release THIS December, and it's in 1/35 scale

PDA · Legend

Grrrrr!

Sorry. What I meant to say was, "That's great! A new WW1�model for those that do 1:35."

Paul Bonnett · Hero

Well thats my Christmas pressie sorted this year. As far as more kits getting produced I think I have maybe found an answer to promote our cause ! Sign up for sites like Armorama's 'Campaigns' and find a theme and enter a WW1 subject, the rules are usualy simple. I've just signed up for my first "Campaign" and will be building the Airfix Mk? female. a few pictures uploaded over the next 6 months while I build it and people cant help but notice another WW1 subject. The major producers seemingly monitor these type of sites to see where current interest lies. No prizes to win for entering but Hey ! maybe we can get noticed a bit more.

Just my thoughts
Paul

Mark Hansen · Legend

Paul Bonnett wrote:

...The major producers seemingly monitor these type of sites to see where current interest lies. No prizes to win for entering but Hey ! maybe we can get noticed a bit more.

Just my thoughts
Paul

If this spurs the major producers, or even the not so major ones,�to produce WWI subjects then that's a prize that everyone wins.

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PDA · Legend

Paul Bonnett wrote:
As far as more kits getting produced I think I have maybe found an answer to promote our cause ! Sign up for sites like Armorama's 'Campaigns' and find a theme and enter a WW1 subject, the rules are usualy simple. I've just signed up for my first "Campaign" and will be building the Airfix Mk? female. a few pictures uploaded over the next 6 months while I build it and people cant help but notice another WW1 subject. The major producers seemingly monitor these type of sites to see where current interest lies. No prizes to win for entering but Hey ! maybe we can get noticed a bit more.

Just my thoughts
Paul

I have only just recently started exploring Armorama's site, so I am unfamiliar with many of its features. But, if I can, I will follow your build, Paul, not just because I admire your work and am interested in the subjet-matter, but because the number of followers may make the campaign more prominent. And, "Good luck!"

In a related matter, Rob Langham, a long time member of this forum, has started a blog for, "Model armoured cars in various scales, from all eras." It can be found here:
http://armoured-cars.blogspot.com/

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Rob · Legend

Thanks for reminding me - really need to get started on that, although since starting the blog I haven't had the time to even look at one of my kits

Rob · Legend

Well, there's box art of the 1914 Rolls Royce at least

http://roden.eu/HTML/framenews.htm

Really hoping for lots of bits and pieces to be able to modify it - heightened cupola for some of the Arras-era Rollers, ability to at least have the turret roof, and maybe the bonnet top, off as per a lot of desert Rollers etc

Hughbearson · General

Isn't "Roller" a car company in itself?

Rob · Legend

One up on ebay, so hopefully in the shops soon!

Paul Bonnett · Hero

The only ones on ebay (uk) at the moment are the previous release Mk1 1920 version with solid wheels etc. From what I have read the 1914 release will have photo-etch spokes for the wheels.
Paul

Rob · Legend

This one was in Poland but came up on the UK search, here it is;

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Roden-1-35-British-Armoured-Car-RR-Pattern-1914-/250747725480?pt=UK_ToysGames_ModelKits_ModelKits_JN&hash=item3a61baa6a8

Really looking forward to this - be interesting to see if the new, lower turret will have the possibility of leaving the turret roof off as often seen on RR's in the desert

Rob · Legend

Has anyone bought one, and any comments on it?

Lothianman · Colonel

I've got one but haven't made it up yet. From what I can remember of reviews of the original basic kit (which was issued as a 1920 Pattern Mark 1, as per the Irish Troubles etc. and with a lovely painting on the box to match), it goes together OK with some care. There is a complete engine and fuel tank and basic interior (no ammunition stowage etc. but I have no idea if they had such a thing as ammunition racking ...).

It won't go together as easily as a Tamiya kit, let's say. It's a bit thin on detail in one or two places, and the Vickers machine gun needs some titivation, and it's not very cheap, but in its various incarnations it's the only RR in 1/35 (unless you have the Scale Link 1/32 one ...). The plastic is (as so often) thicker than scale effect but this would probably only be an issue if you wanted to leave the turret roof off.

The 1914 pattern issue is the one you want. It has, as far as I am aware, the different mudguards and turret (those for the�1920 model are in the box still), and spoked wheels,�so that is several very important differences covered. There is an etched brass sheet of spokes for the wheels which can be formed over the conical plastic formers provided, so that goes a long way to giving a decent scale effect. Again, the interior is basic - no ammunition stowage for instance - but this doesn't matter if made with the hatches down.

There are three options for markings - 'Northern Africa 1917 whatever that means, Middle East 1918 and Western Front 1916. |I can't comment on those for accuracy as I haven't looked into it (waiting for David Fletcher's New Vanguard ...). The RNAS lettering for the last option on the transfer sheet seems (as so often with kits nowadays) to be a modern font which looks wrong to my eyes. Another slightly disappointing feature is the provision of a sheet of acetate for the headlamp and spotlight glasses ...

There is a third issue of this kit with sand tyres, Boys anti-tank rifle and Lewis�as used in the desert in WW2 but that is presumably off topic for Landships!

Rob · Legend

Thanks - thinking of treating myself to one even though I don't normally model 1/35, and think you've won me over. Only hard decision would be what to paint it as, i'd naturally most likely go for western front in British Army service, but doing one as an Arras version with large hook and uralite cladding may be a bit too far for me

Lothianman · Colonel

Glad to help. Finally remembered where I left my copies of the reviews of the original 1920 pattern issue - in the kit box! To sum up the points likely to be relevant to the 1914 issue�(and with acknowledgement to Fine Scale Modeler, Scale Military Modeller, �and Military Modelling) ... Verdict is generally a bit soft/rough in places with quite a few sink marks and ejection pin marks, so out with the putty. But most folk are pleased with the result, even if it has taken some work. It's plainly not a kit that falls together Tamiya style - check before you glue, and if need be trim as you go.�

There are�some construction issues, especially in fitting the engine, assembling the running boards etc., and in sorting out the rear axle which fouls the running board brackets (one reviewer "needed to clip the rear springs up to get it to fit", whatever that means, but perhaps I am being dense today). Test fit the front superstructure on the chassis and make sure it fits the rear superstructure. The turret sides need to have their edges filed square to fit the top properly [this may not apply to the 1914 moulding of course]. The instructions don't clearly show that the front wheel hubs are left/right handed in terms of the axle fixings. The instructions seem to have the rear deck hatch installed too late in construction, but I'm not sure if this is a problem for the 1914 kit. The radiator doors don't show the louvres on the inside but this is only�a problem if they are open.

It's just possible those are only problems for the original issue, not the 1914 pattern kit, but you at least have been forewarned ...