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Somewhere there's a topic with aerosled/aerosleighs in it but I can't find it offhand.  Besides, this one is armoured.  Therefore effectively useless.  Ah, but the lines.  Not sure if we've seen this before.  From Russian forum http://www.polarpost.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=661&p=20176

Aerosled2.jpg

Well, so was one of the others in that other topic but that other one was box-like.  This isn't.

I can't seem to post Cyrillic but the (Google) translation of the commentary that goes with the photo is Snowmobile in the North

Armored snowmobile Leningrad plant number 5 of the NKVD
project was implemented CDB-50.
Armament 23 mm cannon in a turret similar to the turret of the T-40
yet at the stage VC found out that the car comes out very heavy, but still decided to build.
The design was completely unsuccessful: no cross-country speed and handling.
Sluggish improvements lasted until the beginning of World War II, until the evacuation of the company (by then already transferred from the NKVD in the shipbuilding industry).
Some of his work at the armored aerosleigh conducted in the period of World War II, but nothing worthwhile except for NKL-26 was ever built.

I confess it looks more like a mock-up to me.

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Perhaps this is the sleigh that Santa uses to deal with the kids on the naughty list.

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I like it! Freeze 'em in the spotlight then drop 'em with the 23-mil. Ho ho ho. Fair to say I've never been a fan of Dr Benjamin Spock.

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don't forget it was an NKVD vehicle, so first interrogate the little kiddies if they did their homework before getting nasty.

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Russian winter, russian snow...

1. Guard officers & cossack of Ataman's Regiment on iceboat, 1908.

2. Aerosleigh NKL-26, WWII.

3. Aerosleigh RF-8, 1942.

http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWII/sani/



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kieffer wrote:

don't forget it was an NKVD vehicle, so first interrogate the little kiddies if they did their homework before getting nasty.




My friends, please, don't forget that NKVD was not police only. System of NKVD include frontier troops, coast guard, railway troops. in this text not "snowmobile number 5 of the NKVD", but "Leningrad plant number 5 of the NKVD".

"Plant No 5 of the NKVD" was created as Shipyard for Coast Guard (Morpogranohrana) in 1933. In 1939 was renamed as "Plant No 5 of the NKVD", in march 1941 transferred into Narkomat of Shipbuilding Industry & renamed as "Plant No 5 of the NKSP".

And other photo of this Aerosleigh (marked as O2CC)



-- Edited by Aleksandr on Thursday 21st of October 2010 12:23:53 PM

-- Edited by Aleksandr on Thursday 21st of October 2010 09:26:06 PM

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Mark Hansen wrote:

Perhaps this is the sleigh that Santa uses to deal with the kids on the naughty list.




Russian Santa's name Ded Moroz (Grandfather Frost). biggrin



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Russian Aerosleigh for 1917. Constructed by Lebedeff, Sikorski, Meller.

-- Edited by Ivan on Saturday 23rd of October 2010 01:01:51 AM

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Aleksandr wrote:

 




My friends, please, don't forget that NKVD was not police only.

Hi Aleksandr, I do apologise for my bad joke, that was an easy cheap shot.



-- Edited by kieffer on Saturday 23rd of October 2010 07:24:18 AM

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Ivan wrote:

Russian Aerosleigh for 1917. Constructed by Lebedeff, Sikorski, Meller.


Great pictures Stanislav, thanks!
Here is the Vickers "air-tractor" from the 1911 Australian Antarctic Expedition - Vickers air-tractor. That view is copyright, unfortunately, I cannot post the picture directly. It is simply a Vickers monoplane with the wings removed following damage in Australia. From The search for Mawson's air-tractor. It was not very successful, but did work briefly. With no suspension/shock absorption it was probably not a practical solution but it was the catastrophic failure of the engine in the intense cold that "killed" it.

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Steve

-- Edited by Rectalgia on Saturday 23rd of October 2010 08:01:09 AM

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kieffer wrote:

 

Hi Aleksandr, I do apologise for my bad joke, that was an easy cheap shot.



-- Edited by kieffer on Saturday 23rd of October 2010 07:24:18 AM

 



No, no, no! No any problems! I wish to explain only some questions, which may be not understand correctly. Don't worry, please, I'm not offended.

And other photo, which I found in the net, but don't know what is it.

 

 



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More pictures of the Vickers air-truck:

http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemLarge.aspx?itemID=53638
http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemLarge.aspx?itemID=60214

Photographs by Frank Hurley who became one of the official Australian photographers in WW1. Second photo shows Lt. Bob Bage, who was on leave of absence from the army (Australian Engineers) and was to die at Gallipoli.

Thanks too to Aleksandr for the pictures. I have seen that second one somewhere too - when I was trying to work out the meaning of "antikfuchs" which was also in another picture posted by someone else - maybe Brett (drakegoodman). [edit]Ah, no, it was the "Antikfuchs" tag in a picture posted by Gwyn Evans in a topic started by drakegoodman - the "Souvenir Hunters" - that started me looking but I can't recall just where I came across that aerosleigh/aerosani.

-- Edited by Rectalgia on Sunday 24th of October 2010 04:08:20 AM

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Hello

Ivan and Aleksandr, Can either of you tell me if there is any documented evidence that aerosleigh's were modified during WW1 to accommodated a turret of some sort, as they were used in WW2?

Also were they used in any combat during this time? (i.e. added machine gun or guns, during 1914-1917 or during revolution)


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Here is a few more I found on the net..

a. Aerosan Russo-Balt 1915 ?????
b.????? any Idea's???? caption states 1918 after skies replaced by wheels.

All the Best
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-- Edited by Tim R on Wednesday 27th of October 2010 12:55:18 AM

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Russo-Baltique Wagon Work (firs time Automobile division in Riga, 1915/17 Aviatic division in Petrograd) built aerosleighs Igor Sikorski. I poszted open the photo witj Sikorski.

Others Russian "aerosani" of the time of WW1:

Dux (Automobilwork of J.A. Meller, Moscow) constructed by Meller.
VZS (All-Russian Land-Union, Automobilwork Moscow) constructed by Kousin & Archangelski.

VZS = later = KOMPASS = Centr od built of Soviet "Aerosani".

Some VZS/BK 1915-1921

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Rectalgia wrote:

- when I was trying to work out the meaning of "antikfuchs" which was also in another picture posted by someone else - 



it is referring to the name of the German dealer, a certain mr. Fuchs selling photographs on Ebay and probably other auctionering platforms too, Antik to antiques.
Vickers and other aerosleigh builders: Tatra of Czecho-slovakia built one, I can post a picture some later, though it's post ww1 and may be a little of topic.
On the sailing sleigh: that was a common transport in the Netherlands around 1600.
They used them to carry freight, winters must have been harsh then.
The wheeled version, they still exist as sports versions and tourist attractions (Belgium, De Panne, same place the Belgian King Albert stayed during ww1).
Though the ancient Egyptians seemed to use them, the invention is usually related to the Flemish born scientist Simon Stevin. A true renaissance scientist, and one of the leading military engineers of his era.

regards, Kieffer


-- Edited by kieffer on Thursday 28th of October 2010 02:27:18 PM

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another pic from polarpost.ru

german motorised sled in Boyen fortress

file.php?id=13222&mode=view



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